Warlick says players have changed since she became coach

[PG1]

I have opinions regarding AAU though! And it has definitely contributed to the entitlement culture young athletes have today.

IN AAU they:

1. Practice very little, maybe 2-3 times weekly from what I have observed

2. Players, especially the most talented players are often given a total pass on skipping practice, but are still allowed to play in the games which reinforces bad behavior

3. Some teams don't practice together at all, they just play, which hurts player development, particularly less talented players

4. The 2 or 3 best players often dominate the ball for the entire game, some are skilled enough to be a 1 man press break

4a. These players will NOT be able to play like this at the next level, it will be a TO every time unless they are Chennedy Carter or Ivory Latta

4b. They rarely set up a half court offense and run through it, everything happens in transition

5. Teams predominantly play zone defense because shooting percentages are low and you have a better chance of winning playing the zone

5a. This means players start jacking up deep 3 point shots in 3rd and 4th grade against a zone before they are strong enough to shoot with a developed, appropriate, shot and players develop poor shooting form/habits at a young age

5b. Players do not learn to play good, solid, no foul, straight up Man to Man defense in the half court

6. All of the emphasis is on winning, not on doing things the right way

6a. Most coaches don't care if one player scores 56 out of 60 points so long as they win, this isn't realistic for the talented player and they struggle at the next level adapting to having a bunch of other stars on the same team

6b. If you aren't treating the worst player on your team just like the best player on your team, you have a big problem


My opinion? AAU should be a skills camp that plays games at the end of the week. Organized basketball should be played in schools where players are held accountable for their attendance, attitude, and grades. Just like in college. Players should compete in other sports, not just basketball year round.

Multi-sport athletes are becoming a thing of the past, but the cross training you get from playing multiple sports develops your coordination, athleticism, and focus to make you better at basketball. Even if you don't play an organized game for 6 months.

BINGO! You are only half right tho on the only emphasis is winning! The other half is making $! Most AAU Coaches are in it to make a buck! They all call themselves trainers and do workouts with kids for $! Some actually try and make a living off of it! Kinda sad that there are so many opportunists out there preying on dillusional parents who spend more over their kids aau career that they coulsd pay to send them to college 3 times! But KUDOS to Geno he still goes and watches players during their HS season instead of depending on these so called showcase events that now even allow 7th grades teams! Take away the $ half the Coaches would disappear!

 

[Coach Jumper]

Top level AAU programs are not run like you are describing. AAU which is long dead, now the best are all Exposure which is overseen by the NCAA. AAU per say is like the NCAA teams, you have some very good programs, some mid major programs, some bad programs and then you have bad, bad, bad programs. Do not lump all together based on ignorance of something. Holly has recruited bad. Just because you have All American by your name in no wise mean you have earned it( Mcdonalds is very political) and there are kids we have that have a "entitled" attitude, so we have recruited bad or bad fits let say that. All you have to do is watch our games or even at some point just look at our kids. This is not hard.

I can't totally disagree. When I moved to Knoxville I coached a 16U exposure team out of the Morristown area. I had one player who drove from Bristol, one from Halls, 3 from Science Hill, etc...It was like being with the Pistols again. We had a great season. Played in our bracket championship games in most tournaments...7 of those nine girls went on and played college ball. One for a top 25 program.

I missed coaching teams like this. I had tried a couple of AAU orgs here before and after that, and yes, I wasn't impressed. One was for a MS school team....Trouble was, that the team only had one 8th grader, 4 seventh and 6 fifth....In AAU you have to play in your "oldest players" age division. Girls make the biggest change in body and mind during their MS years, so all of my players were tiny..It was brutal.

It soured me on AAU for this area,anyway.
SO yes, all of my experiences aren't roses and candy.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Hard as it is to plow thru what some posters are trying to say, I think we're saying the same thing. AAU is a different mindset which values playing and winning over practice and development. I've never known a player who wouldn't love that - everyone likes games more than practice.

It is great that AAU ideally gives kids a physically healthy alternative plus extra time in the gym in the offseason. The question is whether the play and win mindset which trumps practice and develop is hurting the college game. IMO the answer is yes. If they really wanted to help the players they would flip the script and have intensive skills developmental camps followed by a season ending tourney or two.

But that wouldn't be any fun and who would want to pay for that?

AAU is for the serious BB player. I chose for the second tier team, so I chose players who showed ambition and drive over skills or dominance. I felt I could create better players out of kids who showed the ingredients, not those who were already baked. AAU is in BB's off-season and it is a very old adage, that I take to heart...."Players are made in the off-season and teams are made during the season. I subbed five in and five out for the most part and made the agreement with the girls that "if it is a 5 point game or less with 5 minutes to go, they would have to let me work on MY own coaching-game and see if I can coach a win.

My only true "selfish goal" was to see if I could coach a win,while every player on the roster, scored.

CJ, were you with the Pistols during the Diamond era?
Also, are you only interested in working with Lady Vols?
You said the Lady Vols had several players out of Pistols, so shouldn't Holly see your value and at least talk to you about bringing you on in some capacity?

If you are willing to work with another university like ETSU, then with your experience/resume, it would seem they would also welcome you.

Sometimes taking a position to get your foot in the door eventually opens the barn doors....

They are 7-19 overall and 5-5 in conference.
It would be a good proving ground.

In the 1990's I put out an email, "Coach's Note" in which Coach Insell was one of the 125 collegiate coaches it was sent to. I do not know their new coach, Brittany Ezell...But if she is interested,
I could be interested.

 

[Coach Jumper]

BINGO! You are only half right tho on the only emphasis is winning! The other half is making $! Most AAU Coaches are in it to make a buck! They all call themselves trainers and do workouts with kids for $! Some actually try and make a living off of it! Kinda sad that there are so many opportunists out there preying on dillusional parents who spend more over their kids aau career that they coulsd pay to send them to college 3 times! But KUDOS to Geno he still goes and watches players during their HS season instead of depending on these so called showcase events that now even allow 7th grades teams! Take away the $ half the Coaches would disappear!

Those same parents are just as generous to their daughter's collegiate programs.

I though, can honestly say that no parents has ever given me anything more than a thank you...I took nothing and still fielded winning teams. And we practiced and worked much harder than any games we played.

Those winning teams...I MADE!
They were not purchased.
When I chose my teams I met the parents AFTER I chose my players.
Not before.

 

[PG1]

Those same parents are just as generous to their daughter's collegiate programs.

I though, can honestly say that no parents has ever given me anything more than a thank you...I took nothing and still fielded winning teams. And we practiced and worked much harder than any games we played.

Those winning teams...I MADE!
They were not purchased.
When I chose my teams I met the parents AFTER I chose my players.
Not before.

Congrats! You are a rare breed!

 

[Coach Jumper]

Congrats! You are a rare breed!

A rare breed indeed PG1...And I don't mean that boastfully...I take pride in knowing that I am one of few, not one of many....Thank you ;o)

The last couple of years has been dedicated to a female athlete...
except for last summer in which I trained the only boy I have ever trained.

I am starting to get the coaching itch to work with teams again.
If I do take on a team, I will not quit that obligation!
No matter who calls....but for now

I can be there tomorrow

 

[vol10221938]

Jimmy’s blog: Warlick says players have changed since she became head coach | WNML-AF

Completely delusional IMO. Back to blaming players. A whole lot of comments on how the players lack fundamentals and are soft, but nothing about how she hasn't adapted to the changes in the way the game is played.

All these low IQ and unskilled players don't seem to have any problems being coached by Muffet, Geno, Jeff, Tara, Vic and a whole slew of other capable coaches.

Further proof that she lacks self awareness.

Pat got in their butts and Holly doesn't have guts to get on them.

 

[NEVolFan]

If you dont recruit kids who mesh then you will destroy your program. You are watching it happen before your eyes........

Of all the posts in this thread... THIS IS THE ONE THAT MAKES SENSE. Its not rocket science... just watch them play. Great post!

 

[Willtalk]

It ain't about that. These kids love this game enough to want to learn it year-round. It's about the skills they come in with after working their whole young lives to acquire those skills and then they get to programs that want to break them down to make them basic players

I do not disagree with your take on kids perspectives. Nor do I say that their perspectives are devoid of reason. While I did not detail it like you did, that perspective was included in my post as well. I stated that most of their development was focused on improving their individual skill level, but those individual skills must still be integrated into the whole of the team. Team work requires the individual to integrate into the whole. It has to cease being about being the only one that shines on the stage but making the team shine.

Allen Iverson was the perfect example of someone who never understood the concept of team. His statement " Practice ? was the perfect example of that. From his perspective he felt " practice was unnecessary and from his perspective that was true. He never understood that the practice was not to hone his personal skills, rather to integrate his skills with the rest of the team. Iverson, while individually shining did little to help his team. This became evident to others when the teams he was traded from actually improved their records once he was gone. Practice is about developing that important balance between the individual players skills and the teams needs. Basketball is a metaphore that reflects the Me vs Us human socialization dynamic..

The NBA over the period of increased TV viewership, switched from promoting the teams to promoting individual players on the teams. That had a lasting goal displacing effect on the younger generation of basketball fans and eventually players.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

The players changed because they were getting coached by Pat and they're not being coached by Holly

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Holly needs to shut up with the Pat stuff, just leave now. I don't see Geno changing, Holly just doesn't command and demand the respect to be on the floor. She needs to quit bringing up Pat. She needs to just go.

 

[Kinglberry]

Let's see.

Pat started coaching in 74, are we to believe that the girls are coached in 74 were the same in 2004. She adapted. She learned. She taught. She motivated. She was in charge.

Holly. She admits she can't change. She obviously never learned from Pat whole sitting on the bench. She does not teach. She blames players, referees, the wind, flu, Uber drivers, Bradford pears, whatever she can. She's not in charge, obvious from the beginning when she blamed her losses on certain players being a disruption.

This was supposed to change after they left and then we'd see the real Holly. What we saw and continue to see is the same. Until she's gone, Tennessee will be nothing. If you believe otherwise due to your friendship, VFL montra, optimistic personality, whatever, you are also as culpible as she is for the teams losses. Because of you, she's still here unable to perform her responsibilities to her University, her players, the fans, and most of all to her mentor. Pat may have thought she could do it, that doesn't justify you people continuing to believe that. Pat was able to adapt, I'm sure her opinion of Holly's capabilities would have been reevaluated by her and truth understood.

 

[vol10221938]

Jimmy’s blog: Warlick says players have changed since she became head coach | WNML-AF

Completely delusional IMO. Back to blaming players. A whole lot of comments on how the players lack fundamentals and are soft, but nothing about how she hasn't adapted to the changes in the way the game is played.

All these low IQ and unskilled players don't seem to have any problems being coached by Muffet, Geno, Jeff, Tara, Vic and a whole slew of other capable coaches.

Further proof that she lacks self awareness.

The ball still has to go through the net. The floor is still the same. You still have to rebound and box out. Holly was a good player and good recruiter, the bottom line, she could not coach a lick. Just because you know the game does not mean you can coach. Some people just can't teach. If she was any good as a coach some body would have been after her to head coach some where else. You know the money for a head coach would have been a lot more than she was making with Pat. Plus look at how many years she had to wait on the Tenn. job and at that, she did not know Pat would be leaving when she did.

 

[CincyLadyVol]

A rare breed indeed PG1...And I don't mean that boastfully...I take pride in knowing that I am one of few, not one of many....Thank you ;o)

The last couple of years has been dedicated to a female athlete...
except for last summer in which I trained the only boy I have ever trained.

I am starting to get the coaching itch to work with teams again.
If I do take on a team, I will not quit that obligation!
No matter who calls....but for now

I can be there tomorrow

So can you talk about a general difference in working with boys as opposed to girls? I am curious as to what their various strengths and weaknesses are both mentally and physically.

 

[Coach Jumper]

So can you talk about a general difference in working with boys as opposed to girls? I am curious as to what their various strengths and weaknesses are both mentally and physically.

Yes in fact this is a very large chapter in a book I'm writing. I will have to tackle this though from the computer prompt not a telephone. This past weekend I moved to a nice little apartment in Pigeon Forge. As of yet I have no TV no computer no life. But when I get it all back I will try to connect with you before I post it

 

[leejoek]

Being disrespectful of players' parents and relatives is not helpful to our program.

 

[leejoek]

After reading, this wasn’t as bad as some of you guys made it to be!

Idc what anyone says, this was hilarious because it’s soooooo true!!!

‘Asked if the players are afraid to take a charge, Warlick said there’s “probably a little fear factor because you’ve got to take a hit.’’

Warlick added: `I’ll say this: We’re good at charging into people.’’

Lesser programs with no size usually flop to stop Tennessee from scoring. Warlick shamefully wants us to lower ourselves to that form of defense.

 

[Coach Jumper]

So can you talk about a general difference in working with boys as opposed to girls? I am curious as to what their various strengths and weaknesses are both mentally and physically.

I am at my work terminal so I have to be brief, this will start the ball rolling

• Boys don't care who you are, until they know you know more than them...girls don't care what you know until they know who you are
• Boys have to perform well to feel good about themselves, girls have to feel good about themselves to perform well
• When you insult or fuss at a boy, it provokes them to "show you" they can do it,,, girls will just shut down
• when you demand attention from the squad in a huddle, girls will stand still and give you undivided attention,,,,boys scratch, aggravate each other, look at everything but you

Commitment to practice the game:
I see boys walk-dribbling, shooting alone, on outside courts and in crowded gyms practicing their craft at least once a week. In my 37 years of coaching, I have driven by and seen a young girl outside by themself shooting a BB 3 times in my lifetime.

Boys can hit the court and play with their deepest enemy as if nothing is going on between them...Girls hold grudges and will sacrifice a pass and make it to harder target, to avoid letting "her" have the ball

There is a ton more I could write/say,,,but I have to get back to work

 

[PG1]

I am at my work terminal so I have to be brief, this will start the ball rolling

• Boys don't care who you are, until they know you know more than them...girls don't care what you know until they know who you are
• Boys have to perform well to feel good about themselves, girls have to feel good about themselves to perform well
• When you insult or fuss at a boy, it provokes them to "show you" they can do it,,, girls will just shut down
• when you demand attention from the squad in a huddle, girls will stand still and give you undivided attention,,,,boys scratch, aggravate each other, look at everything but you

Commitment to practice the game:
I see boys walk-dribbling, shooting alone, on outside courts and in crowded gyms practicing their craft at least once a week. In my 37 years of coaching, I have driven by and seen a young girl outside by themself shooting a BB 3 times in my lifetime.

Boys can hit the court and play with their deepest enemy as if nothing is going on between them...Girls hold grudges and will sacrifice a pass and make it to harder target, to avoid letting "her" have the ball

There is a ton more I could write/say,,,but I have to get back to work

In my 25 plus years of coaching besides the obvious athletic differences the biggest difference is girls listen and practice and then in a game they try to do exactly what we practice! Boys also practice and listin but as soon as the ball is tipped off in a game they all become Lebron James!

 

[sisaq]

Are we still talking about Holly...

 

[aretha57]

This quote is BS, “I think if Pat Summit was coaching right now, she’d be turned in for verbal and physical abuse,’’ Warlick said.”

Not so sure it is after seeing what has happened to Sylvia Hatchell

 

[stllvf]

PHS locked the players out of their locker room and one year took away their cell phones. I believe strongly that today taking away cell phones would be serious physical abuse and possibly an opening for a legal charge. My response is not equating "charges" to "guilt or actual abuse." The charges by the players, if true, against the Northern Kentucky woman's coach definitely crossed into actual .Hatchell wasn't winning enough, Joseph at Ga Tech took on the men's establishment (perhaps).

And the irony for me is that the years of significant payment for the top-tier of men college basketball accidently caught a few assistants and agents and the Louisville coach. NOTE: players and their families have changed!