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McDad said:
I don't know if that is rhetorical or not. But to answer, I don't know. They are closed and I cannot contact them for a debrief on what happened.

What I do know is back when I was serving, I made more in tips than a restaurant could offer in living wage. Server's now can make 3x per hour what I averaged back then. I wouldn't work for $20 an hour in payroll, when I could make $36 an hour with tips.
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It's why we got checks for $0. No one was going to choose a salary over a GameDay serving on the river in the 90s
 
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utvolpj said:
Price gouge? What good or service are you describing? Surely not Bojangles referenced in the post you quoted.

In a free market why would a company charging the highest price win?
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I can't speak for everywhere, but where I live prices have gone up several dollars while their employees wages have steadied. At the same time companies are bragging about record profit margins. Instead they would rather pass the burden of fair compensation onto the customer. I'd be fine paying that extra if the money went to the employee instead of paying it to the company and them still expecting me to tip 20% or whatever.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I can't speak for everywhere, but where I live prices have gone up several dollars while their employees wages have steadied. At the same time companies are bragging about record profit margins. Instead they would rather pass the burden of fair compensation onto the customer. I'd be fine paying that extra if the money went to the employee instead of paying it to the company and them still expecting me to tip 20% or whatever.
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Record profits or record margins? There's a huge difference especially when coupled with the inflation of just about every party of the supply chain. When wages go up so do prices in a market.
 
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utvolpj said:
Record profits or record margins? There's a huge difference especially when coupled with the inflation of just about every party of the supply chain. When wages go up so do prices in a market.
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I've seen both being bragged about.

But again, why? What's wrong with a 5-7% why do we need 20 or higher in some cases.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I can't speak for everywhere, but where I live prices have gone up several dollars while their employees wages have steadied. At the same time companies are bragging about record profit margins. Instead they would rather pass the burden of fair compensation onto the customer. I'd be fine paying that extra if the money went to the employee instead of paying it to the company and them still expecting me to tip 20% or whatever.
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I understand your point of view. If the company is rolling in the money, why shouldn't they pay better and reduce the tip expectation from customers.

Here's the thing I think is still true with servers. If I make $200 per shift with good company pay and a 10% tip policy, and my friend makes $350 a shift with minimal company pay and customers are tipping 20% voluntarily, I am quitting my current job and hiring on at my friend's work.
 
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McDad said:
What would a game day shift typically put in your pocket back then?
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Big games, usually at least a couple hundred per shift if you were at all decent. Work Friday night then double Saturday and you make rent for several months. Lived with bartenders who came home with over $1k on many of those weekends. Xmas parties were nice too since you could have 1 table and walk with a couple hundred in 2-3hrs if they drank. All cash as well
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I've seen both being bragged about.

But again, why? What's wrong with a 5-7% why do we need 29 or higher in some cases.
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Who is claiming 29% margins and what was their previous year? Why should the consumer be allowed to set margins for a business you they no skin in the game with?
 
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McDad said:
I understand your point of view. If the company is rolling in the money, why shouldn't they pay better and reduce the tip expectation from customers.

Here's the thing I think is still true with servers. If I make $200 per shift with good company pay and a 10% tip policy, and my friend makes $350 a shift with minimal company pay and customers are tipping 20% voluntarily, I am quitting my current job and hiring on at my friend's work.
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Not arguing with that, but in my hopes. You make 350 with no tip policy, and no expectation of tipping, unless someone just really likes you that much.
 
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utvolpj said:
Who is claiming 29% margins and what was their previous year? Why should the consumer be allowed to set margins for a business you they no skin in the game with?
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The 29 was a typo, that was supposed to say 20..... but I'm not claiming any company is saying they're making thay, I'm just saying why are companies expecting to increase profits every year. Those were just numbers I pulled out of my butt as an example.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Not arguing with that, but in my hopes. You make 350 with no tip policy, and no expectation of tipping, unless someone just really likes you that much.
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That isn't realistic, i don't think. You know who would be a great resource for this discussion?

@volfanhill . He is (or was, not sure) upper level management for a hospitality group.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
The 29 was a typo, that was supposed to say 20..... but I'm not claiming any company is saying they're making thay, I'm just saying why are companies expecting to increase profits every year. Those were just numbers I pulled out of my butt as an example.
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So you created a hypothetical and then argued against it?
 
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McDad said:
I don't know if that is rhetorical or not. But to answer, I don't know. They are closed and I cannot contact them for a debrief on what happened.

What I do know is back when I was serving, I made more in tips than a restaurant could offer in living wage. Server's now can make 3x per hour what I averaged back then. I wouldn't work for $20 an hour in payroll, when I could make $36 an hour with tips.
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Thanks. It wasn't rhetorical. I don't know much about restaurant management.
 
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utvolpj said:
Price gouge? What good or service are you describing? Surely not Bojangles referenced in the post you quoted.

In a free market why would a company charging the highest price win?
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Bojangles just switched to Heinz ketchup from that horrific red liquid they used to serve, so I think they should be celebrated for upgrading their ingredients. I'll pay an extra few cents per item to never again have to eat that foul refuse they called ketchup.
 
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jave36 said:
Bojangles just switched to Heinz ketchup from that horrific red liquid they used to serve, so I think they should be celebrated for upgrading their ingredients. I'll pay an extra few cents per item to never again have to eat that foul refuse they called ketchup.
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We like to fight about food in the PF.

You'll fit right in.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I created hypothetical numbers. The question is still relevant. Why can't wages be increased without the same increase in prices in the name of profit
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Because the share holders expect a return on investment. Companies often absorb tons of costs. In fact, my company intentionally took on pricing at lower rate than inflation. This is imprtant so we can maintain one of our key advantages which is value. So we sit back and watch our competition increase pricing at a higher rate then us. Our value equation becomes even more favorable. We make it up by being more responsible with cost controllable like food waste and labor costs. We also have been very aggressive in cutting G&A expenses. All to grow profits and to out position our competition
 
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