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marcusluvsvols said:
Wonder why in his post at the bottom he credits Dr Celine but doesnt mention that she is his wife (without his last name btw)??

So....it has been clearly established that the jab causes blood clotting issues, among other crippling and deadly side effects. This "vaccine" cheerleader/activist spread all that BS propaganda about the jab....the proceeds to die a very early death in an otherwise healthy body due to complications with his blood, aorta etc...which have been well documented as covid jab side effects. Sounds about right.

So glad my family never put that garbage in our bodies. At best, BEST, getting jabbed is a calculated risk that makes sense for folks over 65, especially with comorbidities. If you are under 60 and healthy...all the science and statistics so far say it is foolish and downright dangerous to put that untested garbage in your body. Those are just the adverse effects and early deaths we ALREADY know about . The next decade or 2 will reveal what the longterm side effects are...
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Sadly, I did get the jab, against my desires and better jusdgement. But, we had premies grandsons to see, so I agreed. Thankfully, and to my knowledge, I have yet to have any side effects though I don't deny they exist. My jab was 2 years ago almost exact, so I hope my body continues to show indifference as I was someone with quite an iron clad immune system to begin with.
 
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GVF said:
Mine were simple folks on a simple farm our family has been living on since 1823ish. There was one family that was employed, had always been paid, and when they left and moved to the Dixon area, took on the family surname because of the love and respect for the families both ways. So, out in the Dixon area you will probably find a cluster of black familes with a scotch/irish surname. Have never found any info to support that we owned or enslaved any persons, and outside of the one family that worked for my great great grandfather we worked our own farm for our own survival. Had enough older family members left when I was growing up to substantiate all this in our history. And as a family, probaly kept and maintained ancestral historical documentation and familiy tree info at a level unheard of by most families. And a quite interesting family at that. Unfortunately, I would be considered boring by comparison to the family history we have accumulated. Operated a mill on the river, grew tobacco, and farmed our own food and meat for sustanance. Several, like my grandfather also had careers to boot outside the farm, most of which was wild and wooded. Prob only about a 1/3 was useable cleared fields due to the plateau topography.
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Out of the 4-5000 acres of the original homestead maybe 1/3 was usable crop land so they didn't own that many slaves. Only 3 tracts remain in blood hands today.
 
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GVF said:
Ditto. My ancestors were quite the clan in Scotland circa AD1100-1300's.. One was killed by Robert the Bruce. The Brits are prob why we eventually ended up in the states by the late 1700's.
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Scot Irish on my dads side.
 
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hog88 said:
Out of the 4-5000 acres of the original homestead maybe 1/3 was usable crop land so they didn't own that many slaves. Only 3 tracts remain in blood hands today.
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Our original tract was approximately 575 acres divided 4 ways amongst my great grandfather and some siblings. The largest division was about 175 acres and had the most useful open acres. One division has no cleared land, all woods, except for the family cemetary that has two other primary families in it. (My cut is 43 acres and a house, about half cleared. THe rest is not useable for fields.) My 3rd or 4th great grandfather is the oldest grave site in there. 30 acres got sold outside the family by a cousin w/o anyone's knowledge or option to buy. It was accross from the parcel that went into the state park and they were working on the grant to acquire it when it was sold. That 175 acres plus the waterfall and a 25 acre strip along the back bluff from my dad is what made up the state park. There's still about 180 acres that was my dads that is still private amongst myself, 2 siblings, and a 1st cousin. Then another 90-110 wooded acres held by 2 other cousins that will make sure they leave it all within the family. My house sits about 100 foot off the back bluff where you can overlook the waterfall. When someone gets injured, the chopper decends right behind my house and rattles everything. It's about 200+ feet down from the top of the bluffs to the creek. The falls itself is only about 80 foot. The 2nd oldest dwelling still stands on what is now the state park. The interior was wallpapered with newspaper. Part of the old general store still stands. THe mill has been long gone but we have pictures of it. It got washed away twice and wasn't rebuilt the 3rd time. There was a carding machine to do people's wool, grain stones, etc. I found the front doffer roller to hte carding machine at the bottom of the falls over 30 years ago. So, it probably had been there for 80-100 years at that point. Occasionally will still find parts like that at the bottom from floods.
 
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GVF said:
Our original tract was approximately 575 acres divided 4 ways amongst my great grandfather and some siblings. The largest division was about 175 acres and had the most useful open acres. One division has no cleared land, all woods, except for the family cemetary that has two other primary families in it. (My cut is 43 acres and a house, about half cleared. THe rest is not useable for fields.) My 3rd or 4th great grandfather is the oldest grave site in there. 30 acres got sold outside the family by a cousin w/o anyone's knowledge or option to buy. It was accross from the parcel that went into the state park and they were working on the grant to acquire it when it was sold. That 175 acres plus the waterfall and a 25 acre strip along the back bluff from my dad is what made up the state park. There's still about 180 acres that was my dads that is still private amongst myself, 2 siblings, and a 1st cousin. Then another 90-110 wooded acres held by 2 other cousins that will make sure they leave it all within the family. My house sits about 100 foot off the back bluff where you can overlook the waterfall. When someone gets injured, the chopper decends right behind my house and rattles everything. It's about 200+ feet down from the top of the bluffs to the creek. The falls itself is only about 80 foot. The 2nd oldest dwelling still stands on what is now the state park. The interior was wallpapered with newspaper. Part of the old general store still stands. THe mill has been long gone but we have pictures of it. It got washed away twice and wasn't rebuilt the 3rd time. There was a carding machine to do people's wool, grain stones, etc. I found the front doffer roller to hte carding machine at the bottom of the falls over 30 years ago. So, it probably had been there for 80-100 years at that point. Occasionally will still find parts like that at the bottom from floods.
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Cummins Falls?
 
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hog88 said:
Cummins Falls?
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Yep. My son (and a couple of my siblings kids) is the 7th generation to consecutively occupy the place since we landed here in the early half of the 1800's. At any given point in time, atleast one family person has always lived somewhere on the spread. My brothers house was constructed during the civil war. How they built houses then was so unique and interesting. The entire exterior shell went up and was dried in. Then they would decide what height the 1st and 2nd floor would start and run stringer bands all around the inside of the wall. Then run the joists. Then frame up the interior 2nd floor rooms. That's why all these old houses have those upstairs rooms that have short walls and triple pitch barn roof style ceilings. It's like you built a room outside, then slid it in from the end of the house. The back of my house and 2nd floor was added on in 1952, and they still framed the 2nd floor interior the same way as the old houses. Anywhoo, they did not put any floor decking down during the war so the place wouldn't get confiscated by union troops for lodging or whatever. They just layed planks around where they needed to walk. Might be my 3rd or 4th great grandfather, but he and his wife never slept inside the house. Their bed was on the back porch in the corner up to the wall. Have a pic of them propped up under the covers in that bed. During the winter. Lot's of covers for warmth. You can see what appears to be snow in the picture. My brother was doing some reno work putting on new siding, and found a couple old handmade play dolls in the wall that were probably well over 100 years old and still dry and intact. There are valuables buried somewhere on the farm, to protect form the union troops. But that grandfather died without telling anyone its location.

All these years it's been private and unposted. If you knew about it you could visit. We didn't restrict it or acknowledge it by posting notices. Lawyer advice. Must have been good advice, as we've never been sued for injury or death. But, mom and dad were getting older and getting antsy about liability so they contributed to the land package for the park. My dad actually had the deed to the falls itself. It went with my grandfather's parcel. Plus, it also protects the falls from ever changing families if the rest of the land ever begins to sell off. My kid won't, but I figure after almost 200 years, it's bound to happen some day.
 
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GVF said:
Yep. My son (and a couple of my siblings kids) is the 7th generation to consecutively occupy the place since we landed here in the early half of the 1800's. At any given point in time, atleast one family person has always lived somewhere on the spread. My brothers house was constructed during the civil war. How they built houses then was so unique and interesting. The entire exterior shell went up and was dried in. Then they would decide what height the 1st and 2nd floor would start and run stringer bands all around the inside of the wall. Then run the joists. Then frame up the interior 2nd floor rooms. That's why all these old houses have those upstairs rooms that have short walls and triple pitch barn roof style ceilings. It's like you built a room outside, then slid it in from the end of the house. The back of my house and 2nd floor was added on in 1952, and they still framed the 2nd floor interior the same way as the old houses. Anywhoo, they did not put any floor decking down during the war so the place wouldn't get confiscated by union troops for lodging or whatever. They just layed planks around where they needed to walk. Might be my 3rd or 4th great grandfather, but he and his wife never slept inside the house. Their bed was on the back porch in the corner up to the wall. Have a pic of them propped up under the covers in that bed. During the winter. Lot's of covers for warmth. You can see what appears to be snow in the picture. He was doing some reno work putting on new siding, and found a couple old handmade play dolls in the wall that were probably well over 100 years old and still dry and intact. There are valuables buried somewhere on the farm, to protect form the union troops. But that grandfather died without telling anyone its location.

All these years it's been private and unposted. If you knew about it you could visit. We didn't restrict it or acknowledge it by posting notices. Lawyer advice. Must have been good advice, as we've never been sued for injury or death. But, mom and dad were getting older and getting antsy about liability so they contributed to the land package for the park. My dad actually had the deed to the falls itself. It went with my grandfather's parcel. Plus, it also protects the falls from ever changing families if the rest of the land ever begins to sell off. My kid won't, but I figure after almost 200 years, it's bound to happen some day.
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That's pretty cool. Beautiful country, been up there several times before and since it's become a state park.

Our place is just up the road by about 350 miles and the old house which is on our land was built in the 1830s. They sure knew how to build them back then, can't see much of anything being built theses days standing in another 200 years. Story is that when the godless yankees came marching through they spared the house because there were wounded union soldiers inside being cared for, they burned most everything else around there.

My wife and SIL have wanted to turn the house into a B&B for years but my dad doesn't want any "damn idiots" running around the farm.
 
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hog88 said:
That's pretty cool. Beautiful country, been up there several times before and since it's become a state park.

Our place is just up the road by about 350 miles and the old house which is on our land was built in the 1830s. They sure knew how to build them back then, can't see much of anything being built theses days standing in another 200 years. Story is that when the godless yankees came marching through they spared the house because there were wounded union soldiers inside being cared for, they burned most everything else around there.

My wife and SIL have wanted to turn the house into a B&B for years but my dad doesn't want any "damn idiots" running around the farm.
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The house my brother has (the war house) is exterior wall studs out of 4x4 hardwoods. Mostly red oak. prob some yellow poplar as well. It was all harvested from the property and milled. The corners of each meeting walls sections outside have some sort of angled strength and support 4x4's that run from the vertical corner to the base plates and are half notched at intersections with studs. They just lock in. Tornado came accross the field and took the barn out that was no more than 80-100 feet diagonal from back of house. Not a twitch in the house. That house still has ALL of the original furnishings over the years, passed on by each occupant. Old Victor cylinder turn table. Pump organ, old wooden camera, metal photographs, paintings, sculptures, cast iron cookware still sitting at the fireplace in the back porch, books, travel trunks. Great Aunt's husband was an artist. He designed the TennTEch seals. We have the original cast bronze medalians for that. My dad donated an old Cello to the music dept. It's on display still in a glass display there. THe house is basically a period museum. Virtually every piece of furniture is handmade by one of the ole chaps. Can't count the amount of "tours" we've given over the years. Can get lost in there for hours. Then my brother married his current wife. That chite don't fly no more.

Can't blame your dad. I never saw idiots around the falls when it was just there. Put up a state park sign and boy do they f*** like rabbits. Idiots everywhere now. Show up in sandals, carrying coolers down. Acting like there's an escelator somewhere. I've never seen so many people that have no business being outdoors. THis place is wild, scenic, untouched, and very dangerous if you have no clue. No speakie English foreigners (not just south of the border kind. all kind) pulling in my driveway looking for the falls cause on maps it's right behind my house. But, if you LOOK UP STATE PARK, and not just Cummins Falls it will take you right to the dang gate. One couple pulled into one of my fields, into the woods, and cut lights off. I wore him out. You ain't lost, etc, etc, and you ain't cooking that taco on my land so get the f*** off my property. Never stops. There's even a large road sign just before my driveway that says state park 1.5 miles, and they still turn in. During the summer, we will park my truck down at the end of drive so people can't turn in. They think they can help themselves to walking our fields for arrow heads and stuff. Or poaching. I hate those scum.

EDIT: If you've been thre enough to kinda recall the dwellings, ours are the ones at the bridge on the main road. THe white house out front by the road is my brother (war house), mom and dads brick retirement house to the back, and the yellow house back up the road on top of the hill to the west (me). Top of hill on east side of bridge is cemetary.
 
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VolStrom said:
Bunch of land baron grabbers from the rightful owners.
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Got ours honest. Was bought from a Rev war officer, maybe general (or his family) that was awarded the land for his service. IIRC, we have the original sale of deed in my boxes of family history.
 
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GVF said:
The house my brother has (the war house) is exterior wall studs out of 4x4 hardwoods. Mostly red oak. prob some yellow poplar as well. It was all harvested from the property and milled. The corners of each meeting walls sections outside have some sort of angled strength and support 4x4's that run from the vertical corner to the base plates and are half notched at intersections with studs. They just lock in. Tornado came accross the field and took the barn out that was no more than 80-100 feet diagonal from back of house. Not a twitch in the house. That house still has ALL of the original furnishings over the years, passed on by each occupant. Old Victor cylinder turn table. Pump organ, old wooden camera, metal photographs, paintings, sculptures, cast iron cookware still sitting at the fireplace in the back porch, books, travel trunks. Great Aunt's husband was an artist. He designed the TennTEch seals. We have the original cast bronze medalians for that. My dad donated an old Cello to the music dept. It's on display still in a glass display there. THe house is basically a period museum. Virtually every piece of furniture is handmade by one of the ole chaps. Can't count the amount of "tours" we've given over the years. Can get lost in there for hours. Then my brother married his current wife. That chite don't fly no more.

Can't blame your dad. I never saw idiots around the falls when it was just there. Put up a state park sign and boy do they f*** like rabbits. Idiots everywhere now. Show up in sandals, carrying coolers down. Acting like there's an escelator somewhere. I've never seen so many people that have no business being outdoors. THis place is wild, scenic, untouched, and very dangerous if you have no clue. No speakie English foreigners (not just south of the border kind. all kind) pulling in my driveway looking for the falls cause on maps it's right behind my house. But, if you LOOK UP STATE PARK, and not just Cummins Falls it will take you right to the dang gate. One couple pulled into one of my fields, into the woods, and cut lights off. I wore him out. You ain't lost, etc, etc, and you ain't cooking that taco on my land so get the f*** off my property. Never stops. There's even a large road sign just before my driveway that says state park 1.5 miles, and they still turn in. During the summer, we will park my truck down at the end of drive so people can't turn in. They think they can help themselves to walking our fields for arrow heads and stuff. Or poaching. I hate those scum.

EDIT: If you've been thre enough to kinda recall the dwellings, ours are the ones at the bridge on the main road. THe white house out front by the road is my brother (war house), mom and dads brick retirement house to the back, and the yellow house back up the road on top of the hill to the west (me). Top of hill on east side of bridge is cemetary.
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I think I know what houses you are talking about but I was always drunk, carrying the cooler and trying to watch where I stepped. It's not a easy walk in flip flops....
 
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C-south said:
And each INDIVIDUAL is responsible for taking advantage of their opportunities.
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Certainly. But we can't say that we shouldn't include all our minorities in social development index scores because 'other countries are homogeneous'. We created and fostered the conditions that led to certain minorities getting behind the curve.
 
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EasternVol said:
Certainly. But we can't say that we shouldn't include all our minorities in social development index scores because 'other countries are homogeneous'. We created and fostered the conditions that lead to certain minorities getting behind the curve.
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Nope
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I see your anecdote and raise you one actual data sample

Incarceration Rates by Country 2022
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Mmmh...a problem with that.

For instance, compare the incarceration rates of the U.S. and Sudan, S.Sudan, Ethiopa, DR Congo, Angola - hell, any African nation - then point out which are more free and a dandy place to live.

Compare them with the UK, Canada, Nordic, Japan, and W. Euro nations and tell me they're better/just as good, and why you aren't on the first plane out.
Iceland has a rate of 29, same as DR Congo, 2X that of CAR. Compare Japan to any of the African nations with a lower rate, or a multitude greater, and say Japan is a less attractive, less free society.

Then you begin to see the problem of staking out incarceration rates as a determinant of freedom, rather than often the rate at which corruption and lawlessness proliferates, and in which criminals are not incarcerated. Despite their incarceration 'freedom', no one is crossing oceans in rafts or hiking hundreds or thousands of miles southward to break into that African gem.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You mean to tell me that we enslaved a group for generations and then treated them as second-class citizens for subsequent generations, and then started waging wars on social issues to keep them down, and then that group is disproportionately incarcerated (many of which aren't even crimes that hurt people)? This is what people are talking about when they discuss critical race theory. America has to own all of it, buddy. You're not winning the argument with this racial comment. The point is that the incarceration rate shouldn't be this high.
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Then why didn't such discrimination have the same impact on Asian, Indian, Hisp/Latino, and African migrants? That discrimination did not destroy the black family, but something sure did around the 1960s. What could that be?

How is it that African immigrants, regardless of origin nation, come here and don't find themselves "kept down"? Why it is pigmented people around the globe risk everything - which is often next to nothing besides their life - to get here? And how do they leave poverty within a generation while native-born victims cough in their dust cloud? What do they know that you don't, or pretend not to know?

It's been "owned" and it's time black America owned themselves, rather than being a Marxist plaything of anti-American anarchos like yourself. It's time black Americans left off the Democrat plantation of FDR and LBJ, and the eugenicist progressives who deemed them as having intellectual ceilings whose numbers should be controlled, and should be subsidized into dependency.

You're not winning this argument by yelling 'racist!", buddy.
 
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