Was the talent disparity so bad that...

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Eddie Vol Halen said:
So the realists were actually predicting a blow-out before halftime?

Is that what we are saying?

So, are the realists predicting the first eight loss season for the Vols?
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I had 55-10 if you check the prediction thread. Yeah, with 9 walk-ons and a lot of freshman playing, the beat down that happened was not a surprise. I didn't hear many sitting in stands yesterday surprised by outcome. those that follow on the road, are realistic.. they are patient and understand we are looking at a rebuild. Every coaching change starts rebuild again.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Just because we lost to Oregon doesn't mean the season is over and we lose the rest of our games

Oregon is just better than what Vols fans want to believe
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I don't think Oregon is better than Alabama, just maybe we match up worse with them. Still, we should not get beat like that, like EVER. My only hope is that Butch knew we had no chance in the game so he held back on some of our packages that we are saving for Florida.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I had 55-10 if you check the prediction thread. Yeah, with 9 walk-ons and a lot of freshman playing, the beat down that happened was not a surprise. I didn't hear many sitting in stands yesterday surprised by outcome. those that follow on the road, are realistic.. they are patient and understand we are looking at a rebuild. Every coaching change starts rebuild again.
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Your last sentence rings so true

Some act like you can insert new coach and win right away because a handful did it before
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
we should have expected our azz to be done gone and be whipped at the midpoint of the 2nd quarter?

Discuss.

I honestly didn't think so. I truly expected the Butch factor to make it closer. Is this what the "realistic" Vol fans expected?
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How many threads do you plan on starting about the same topic?
 
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LWSVOL said:
I had 55-10 if you check the prediction thread. Yeah, with 9 walk-ons and a lot of freshman playing, the beat down that happened was not a surprise. I didn't hear many sitting in stands yesterday surprised by outcome. those that follow on the road, are realistic.. they are patient and understand we are looking at a rebuild. Every coaching change starts rebuild again.
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I hear you Larry, and I'm getting the message that I was blinded by the Butch. We can't paper over the holes in the Vols.

I expect your answer is going to be 4 - 5 years. How long until "we get it" again? How was Saban able to turn Bama around in 2 years?

This just heaps pure, twice distilled condemnation on the Dooley regime.
 
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99gator said:
i, and many others, said before the season that this was maybe the worst matchup of the year.

a lot of people said tennessee had a better chance to beat florida and other opponents compared to oregon.

the whole pac 12, hippie thing, clouded a few people's judgment.
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Hey! No need to bring the hippie aspect into a football conversation, you old redneck. I AM a hippie, although you would not know it due to the unavoidable loss of a substantial amount of my beautiful hair. Ah, to go back to '72 and the redbud. Go Vols!
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I hear you Larry, and I'm getting the message that I was blinded by the Butch. We can't paper over the holes in the Vols.

I expect your answer is going to be 4 - 5 years. How long until "we get it" again? How was Saban able to turn Bama around in 2 years?

This just heaps pure, twice distilled condemnation on the Dooley regime.
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can't compare Butch situation to Saban. Tennessee has 4 head coaching changes in 6 years. tons of attrition and lack of development due to constant coaching changes is what Butch was served.

If Butch can hold this class, he is on the way. Will take recruiting at a very high level to fix this issue
 
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Top 25 classes in other conferences: Finish ranked

Top 25 classes in the SEC: No bowl game

That's where we are. We've had good classes, not SEC classes. It's gonna take a few years to get back to being elite. We need 4 years of classes like the one he has now. It's not easy to build in the NFLs minor league system. Be patient.
 
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Speed kills is a very true quote as we now see. CBJ is recruiting speed. I have and will always be the glass half empty person however we just have to give this building process time. Rome wasn't built in a day nor will this team be built back up in 1 season. Please have patience. We will look back 3 years from now and be able to see how far we have come. There will be ups and downs just keep your heads up and count to 10 before you hit the "reply" button. GO UT!
 
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We only have a handfull of players that could start for Vandy, so yes, the talent differential was huge against Oregon.
 
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Fighting possum is dead on.....we may be lucky to win 5 games. If I were head coach I woud start peterman and lane. I would review the defense and play calling. Time to make some changes now that we know the good the bad and the ugly...
 
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LWSVOL said:
I had 55-10 if you check the prediction thread. Yeah, with 9 walk-ons and a lot of freshman playing, the beat down that happened was not a surprise. I didn't hear many sitting in stands yesterday surprised by outcome. those that follow on the road, are realistic.. they are patient and understand we are looking at a rebuild. Every coaching change starts rebuild again.
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All the crazy biased folks that are totally unaware of reality (or just have no idea how to analyze football) that were pumping us up to win or keep it close are the same folks in total meltdown mode. Meanwhile all the people like you, count, fade and myself that saw this coming a mile away offer no more than a shoulder shrug.

Worley can't throw as was evidenced in .....any game action he has ever seen. Our defense can't defend....as evidenced in idk.....last year OR the WKU game where they moved the ball at WILL.

derp a herp run the ball between the tackles and control the clock. Wanna know who successfully did that against Oregon? An Auburn team that was probably the best college football team this decade, an LSU team that was 3x more talented than ours this year and a Stanford team that is 2x more talented than our team. WHAT DID YOU PEOPLE EXPECT?????....WELCOME TO EARTH.

/end rant
 
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Can someone please merge all of the OPs threads into one big "trolling on the coaching staff thread".
 
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Boca Vol said:
I loved the reasoning of some posters that said UT had a great chance because Oregon had a new coach that had never coached in a big game.
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Yeah, I don't think those people understood who Helfrich is. The man has been around for a long long time at Oregon and was able to create a seamless transition.

This is not Fulmer to Kiffin change... not even close.

Oregon will likely win a NC this year... Honestly, I kind of hope they do.

SEC loyalty is over-rated IMHO.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Can someone please merge all of the OPs threads into one big "trolling on the coaching staff thread".
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You've got it all wrong; I'm still positive on Butch.

I think that's why this loss hurt so bad. I thought the Butch factor (vice the Dooley and Sal factor) would not turn this into the worst loss in 108 years. I'm not a usual Kool-Aid drinker, but clearly I was imbibing this week.

However, the "I told you so" crowd this morning is a bit obnoxious.

And, if we are being realistic now after that, our schedule is full of nothing but teams that could give Oregon a game.

Is 6 - 6 now too optimistic?
 
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Oregon is much better than USCe, UGA and UF. I think we can scare USCe or UF.

AP, WKU, S Alabama, UK are/were guaranteed wins. Alabama is another guaranteed loss. The score won't look as bad, but the game itself will feel as bad as yesterday.

Vandy, Mizzou and Auburn games are tossups.

We win two of three tossups, that's a 6 win season assuming we win every guaranteed game. Pull the upset over UGA, UF or USCe, it's a 7 win season. This has been my stance since April and I've been mocked and ridiculed off of the main board for it.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
You've got it all wrong; I'm still positive on Butch.

I think that's why this loss hurt so bad. I thought the Butch factor (vice the Dooley and Sal factor) would not turn this into the worst loss in 108 years. I'm not a usual Kool-Aid drinker, but clearly I was imbibing this week.

However, the "I told you so" crowd this morning is a bit obnoxious.

And, if we are being realistic now after that, our schedule is full of nothing but teams that could give Oregon a game.

Is 6 - 6 now too optimistic?
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From someone who predicted 6-6 before the season, yes.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
From someone who predicted 6-6 before the season, yes.
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I had us at 7 - 5 with the Butch factor.

I'm revising downward. I did say bowl game would be a successful season. I also said the Oregon game would be a good measuring stick for where we were (OUCH).

Didn't South Alabama beat WKU this weekend?? There is simply not a gimme left on the schedule, and a whole host of teams who WOULD give Oregon a game.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
The experts also see the lack of talent, depth, speed and experience at most positions. I don't understand how anyone could expect us to have won that game yesterday. It will take at least two years of recruiting to develop two deep SEC players at every position. It will take time, but we will be back.
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It's not the fact that we got beat. 99.9999% of the fans were expecting a loss. But to get hammered the way we did is disturbing.
 
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VolDomination said:
It's not the fact that we got beat. 99.9999% of the fans were expecting a loss. But to get hammered the way we did is disturbing.
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Part of that is the nature of Oregon football though.

For instance, if Florida dominates Tennessee as badly as Oregon did, the score will be like 24-3.

So, style of play also affected the score
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
You've got it all wrong; I'm still positive on Butch.

I think that's why this loss hurt so bad. I thought the Butch factor (vice the Dooley and Sal factor) would not turn this into the worst loss in 108 years. I'm not a usual Kool-Aid drinker, but clearly I was imbibing this week.

However, the "I told you so" crowd this morning is a bit obnoxious.

And, if we are being realistic now after that, our schedule is full of nothing but teams that could give Oregon a game.

Is 6 - 6 now too optimistic?
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6-6 was always too optimistic.
 
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