Was the talent disparity so bad that...

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Yes. The places where we have talent, we have no depth. We are quite simply a one dimensional offense that cannot keep our undermanned defense off the field. Against a program that will likely play for a National Title, we got pretty much what most expected.

I see progress, I see discipline, which is a helluva lot more than I've seen in several years out of our players. I think Butch will get us there.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
we should have expected our azz to be done gone and be whipped at the midpoint of the 2nd quarter?

Discuss.

I honestly didn't think so. I truly expected the Butch factor to make it closer. Is this what the "realistic" Vol fans expected?
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yes
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Top 25 classes in other conferences: Finish ranked

Top 25 classes in the SEC: No bowl game

That's where we are. We've had good classes, not SEC classes. It's gonna take a few years to get back to being elite. We need 4 years of classes like the one he has now. It's not easy to build in the NFLs minor league system. Be patient.
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do you think CBJ will get the 4 or 5 years needed ? i have seen some on here saying in 3 years he should be playing in the SECCG or contending
 
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99gator said:
Part of that is the nature of Oregon football though.

For instance, if Florida dominates Tennessee as badly as Oregon did, the score will be like 24-3.

So, style of play also affected the score
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Agree. I watched the 92 Bama team take us behind the woodshed and the final score was 17 - 10. And we had the ball late in the fourth. It was still an absolute mauling.

Still though, I think Florida splits a ten game series with Oregon. If Driskell played anywhere near potential, it would jump to 7 - 8 out of 10. Which is why I'm worried about the rest of the season. Florida might be 3rd in the East
 
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Everyone was focused on the Oregon O vs. our D. The most important match up if Tennessee was going to stay in the game was our O vs. Oregon D. The Vols HAD to convert 3rd downs and keep drives alive and score some points. They couldn't and that was the end of the game right there.

The raw athletic talent disparity is less than the score would indicate. However, when one team has recruited to their style of play for years and had a decade long continuity of staff and system and the other has had four coaches, 3 offenses, at least 3 defenses and the multitude of disruption the Tennessee has had, this is what you get.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Agree. I watched the 92 Bama team take us behind the woodshed and the final score was 17 - 10. And we had the ball late in the fourth. It was still an absolute mauling.

Still though, I think Florida splits a ten game series with Oregon. If Driskell played anywhere near potential, it would jump to 7 - 8 out of 10. Which is why I'm worried about the rest of the season. Florida might be 3rd in the East
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Don't know if you're trying to make 99 Gator feel better or what but the Florida team on display Thursday night against Oregon gets beaten about as badly as the Vols. Those 6 turnovers that the Hurricanes wasted are 42 points for the Ducks and I don't think Florida's O would have been much if any better than the Vols. Now that said none of that translates to this Saturday unless the Gators are the turnover machine they were against Miami. In a clean game for Florida, Oregon still wins 35-14. JMO
 
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I certainly like Worley, and I'm not trying to pile on.

I just wonder what people think the game would have been like with some real QB production yesterday.

I suppose the scenario would be insert Tajh Boyd instead of Worley in yesterday's game. Or even Bray.

Are we just missing one key ingredient? Would we still have lost by 30 or 40?

I know we need depth, more talent, less injuries. I know I was drinking the Kool-Aid. I just wonder how people think the game might have evolved with a proper read option QB in CBJ's system.
 
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Vols1966 said:
Speed kills is a very true quote as we now see. CBJ is recruiting speed. I have and will always be the glass half empty person however we just have to give this building process time. Rome wasn't built in a day nor will this team be built back up in 1 season. Please have patience. We will look back 3 years from now and be able to see how far we have come. There will be ups and downs just keep your heads up and count to 10 before you hit the "reply" button. GO UT!
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I am amazed that most on these threads are focusing on the poor play of our offense - very few teams can win a game when they give up 50+ points in 3 quarters. Speed is important, but it was not speed that left the tight end totally uncovered time after time yesterday. That was either the worst defensive scheming I have ever seen or safeties blew their assignment virtually every play.

I went back and looked at the touchdowns that UVa gave up versus Oregon and the touchdowns that we gave up yesterday. Almost without exception, the Ducks touchdowns against the Cavs resulted from beating a defender in 1v1 situations - clearly a case of being totally outclassed athletically. With us - not so much. On all but one of their passing touchdowns against us, we literally had no one within 10 yards of the receiver when he caught the ball. They were not just running past us; they may have been faster than us, but these were huge problems with the defensive scheme. I have no doubt that Butch is capable offensively, but am very concerned wether our DC has the ability to scheme a defense against the big boys.
 
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Yes. Nothing against the kid but on 3rd and goal from the 9 yard line (2nd quarter), and Max Arnold is in. We have no depth.
 
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State of the Vols said:
I am amazed that most on these threads are focusing on the poor play of our offense - very few teams can win a game when they give up 50+ points in 3 quarters. Speed is important, but it was not speed that left the tight end totally uncovered time after time yesterday. That was either the worst defensive scheming I have ever seen or safeties blew their assignment virtually every play.

I went back and looked at the touchdowns that UVa gave up versus Oregon and the touchdowns that we gave up yesterday. Almost without exception, the Ducks touchdowns against the Cavs resulted from beating a defender in 1v1 situations - clearly a case of being totally outclassed athletically. With us - not so much. On all but one of their passing touchdowns against us, we literally had no one within 10 yards of the receiver when he caught the ball. They were not just running past us; they may have been faster than us, but these were huge problems with the defensive scheme. I have no doubt that Butch is capable offensively, but am very concerned wether our DC has the ability to scheme a defense against the big boys.
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Those are great points. I watched some of the UVA game too.

If there was one thing about the Cavs as well, it seemed their coaching staff was trying to match what Oregon was doing. They seemed to have a lot more success than we did running up the gut, but they kept asking their QB to make plays he couldn't.
 
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Based on actual "stars" the talent on our starting Defense was about the same as Oregon's, 3.0 vs. 3.05 and our average stars on offense were higher than Oregon's. I heard this on the Erik Ainge show this week. So, talent wise our starters had an average higher start rating than Oregon. However , their scheme and depth is something we just simply did not have an answer for. I don't think many teams will have an answer for them. I was disappointed our O=Line didn't get more of a push but a great RB would make them look much better.
 
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1985Vols said:
Based on actual "stars" the talent on our starting Defense was about the same as Oregon's, 3.0 vs. 3.05 and our average stars on offense were higher than Oregon's. I heard this on the Erik Ainge show this week. So, talent wise our starters had an average higher start rating than Oregon. However , their scheme and depth is something we just simply did not have an answer for. I don't think many teams will have an answer for them. I was disappointed our O=Line didn't get more of a push but a great RB would make them look much better.
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The biggest difference is the speed . Their players are much faster than our at every position.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
we should have expected our azz to be done gone and be whipped at the midpoint of the 2nd quarter?

Discuss.

I honestly didn't think so. I truly expected the Butch factor to make it closer. Is this what the "realistic" Vol fans expected?
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Talent gap was enormous, primarily the difference in speed. But it's more than that. It's continuity with staff, system, players, especially key skill players. It's the experience of their quarterback, the teams confidence based on the winning they've experienced over the last few years. IMHO it's all these factors. Then throw in that our program is currently polar opposite to Oregon regarding all these points at the moment.
 
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Fighting Possum said:
I for one, expected a blowout. But no on the 8 loss season. Oregon is by far the fastest team we will play which exposes our weknesses the most. Physical teams will allow us a better chance to match up. I think UGA and Bama will beat us badly. Florida and USC will beat us if they play well. The rest are winnable. Have patience.
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i am wondering if you have seen U$C play lately. tennessee is beginning to get over kiffinitis, U$C still has a very bad case of it.
 
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1985Vols said:
Based on actual "stars" the talent on our starting Defense was about the same as Oregon's, 3.0 vs. 3.05 and our average stars on offense were higher than Oregon's. I heard this on the Erik Ainge show this week. So, talent wise our starters had an average higher start rating than Oregon. However , their scheme and depth is something we just simply did not have an answer for. I don't think many teams will have an answer for them. I was disappointed our O=Line didn't get more of a push but a great RB would make them look much better.
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if your coaching staff is not as good as rivals and scout at determining talent level they should probably be fired.
 
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kafkaclone said:
if your coaching staff is not as good as rivals and scout at determining talent level they should probably be fired.
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Even though almost none of the players on our team were scouted by the current staff?

You're an idiot.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even though almost none of the players on our team were scouted by the current staff?

You're an idiot.
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ok when i said "if your coaching staff uses rivals..." i probably should have said "if any coaching staff uses rivals or scout exclusively.." thats what i meant to say...lol. sorry your right..im an idiot :eek:)
 
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State of the Vols said:
I am amazed that most on these threads are focusing on the poor play of our offense - very few teams can win a game when they give up 50+ points in 3 quarters. Speed is important, but it was not speed that left the tight end totally uncovered time after time yesterday. That was either the worst defensive scheming I have ever seen or safeties blew their assignment virtually every play.

I went back and looked at the touchdowns that UVa gave up versus Oregon and the touchdowns that we gave up yesterday. Almost without exception, the Ducks touchdowns against the Cavs resulted from beating a defender in 1v1 situations - clearly a case of being totally outclassed athletically. With us - not so much. On all but one of their passing touchdowns against us, we literally had no one within 10 yards of the receiver when he caught the ball. They were not just running past us; they may have been faster than us, but these were huge problems with the defensive scheme. I have no doubt that Butch is capable offensively, but am very concerned wether our DC has the ability to scheme a defense against the big boys.
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Best analysis by far. Talent wise, we had more highly recruited players on the field than Oregon does. Their scheme gives them an edge, but it wasn't much of an edge against the quality talented teams with decent coaching they faced with Kelly at the helm (see their 0-3 record against LSU, Auburn & Ohio State). They were 2-2 against Stanford, which has less recruited talent then we do. Our offensive game plan was lousy, and our defensive game plan worse than 2010. Our poor offensive coaching performance was a surprise (remember Malzahn with Arkansas State scored more on Oregon than we did); our defensive performance not such a surprise since our DC was the same guy who made a lot of talented players at Georgia look awful a few years back.
 
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governmentmule said:
do you think CBJ will get the 4 or 5 years needed ? i have seen some on here saying in 3 years he should be playing in the SECCG or contending
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won't be doing either in third year. too much rebuilding to be done.

if ticket sales continue to fall off after 3 years, might be tough. that would drive decision even though admin understands where program is and hat stability is really needed. Butch needs to be here for 5 or 6 years. if still fighting to be at 500, then change has to be made.

Personally, I think he has us competing in 2016.. when he has his recruits in place. might not be in Atlanta, but will be in conversation
 
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