was today the death knell for Miles and Richt?

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Sin City Vol said:
How good is Mark Richt??? 14 years at Georgia and 2 sec championships. During that time the east really only had 1 other good team for about 6 years, Vols were down and Florida was solid under Meyer. The talent Richt has had he should have around 5 sec championships and should have played for at least 1 NC. He's not a championship coach, he's an above average coach who does not make the most of the talent around him
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He's also had the best stretch they've had since the late 70s/early 80s under Vince Dooley.

In Richt's 15 years UGA is 144-51, with 9 years of 10+ game winning seasons (4 years where they won 11 or more games), 8 years where they finished in the top 10 (11 years where they finished ranked), won 2 SEC championships (and played in the SEC championship game 5 times), and are currently 9-5 during the what will currently be a 15- year bowl streak.


In the 12 years before he got there, UGA was 86-53-1, with 2 10 win seasons (they didn't see any 11, 12, or 13 win ones), finished in the top 10 twice (6 years when they finished ranked), won no SEC Championships, didn't play in the SEC Championship game, and were 6-2 in the 8 bowls they played in during those 12 years.


Not to mention he's also mostly done well against their major rivals - UGA's 12-2 against GT while he's been there, 10-5 against Auburn (Auburn had been 12-5-1 before Richt)...he still struggles with UF (around 5-10 against them) but the 5 wins they've had against UF while he's there were the most UGA had really seen since the 80s. Doesn't hurt that he's also 10-5 against UT.
 
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General Jack said:
Link? I don't mean it in a snarky way, genuinely interested to know.
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You've probably seen it by now but in case you haven't

http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14204487/good-possibility-lsu-tigers-buy-les-miles-contract-source

And I saw in on the ticker all day yesterday on espn
 
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ajvol01 said:
It was not having a homerun hire before they fired him.
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An average coach could have won 9 or 10 games a year with the two QB's TN had committed. Instead TN hired what is considered the worst SEC coach in the last 50 years.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Kiffin was only a bad hire because he left. The initial hire wasn't a problem because no one foresaw Carroll leaving 12 months later. We were instantly better under Kiffin than the year before.
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Kiffin was a bad hire for plenty of reasons.

He cared nothing about Tennessee or our traditions. Plastered USC players all over the complex.

Kiffin dumped several of Fulmer's recruits including QBs Tajh Boyd & Bryce Petty. A good hire wouldn't have done that simply on evaluating talent and QB depth on the roster.

7-5 is instantly better? Lost to Neuheisel, Chizik & Nutt.

Blown out in the bowl game by Va Tech.

He showed his limitations at USC. Not a great HC.
 
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The Kiffin hire was fine at the time, but that UCLA loss was brutal. Team turned it on after the Auburn loss where we ran one good offensive play and a bunch of trash after.

Hamilton biffed the second hire worse than just about any other major hire this decade. You can argue Hoke or Neuheisel where seemingly everyone immediately knew it wouldn't turn out well I guess.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Kiffin was a bad hire for plenty of reasons.

He cared nothing about Tennessee or our traditions. Plastered USC players all over the complex.

Kiffin dumped several of Fulmer's recruits including QBs Tajh Boyd & Bryce Petty. A good hire wouldn't have done that simply on evaluating talent and QB depth on the roster.

7-5 is instantly better? Lost to Neuheisel, Chizik & Nutt.

Blown out in the bowl game by Va Tech.

He showed his limitations at USC. Not a great HC.
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Last I checked 7-5 and a respectable bowl game is better than 5-7 and no bowl game. A 2 point loss to Bama on the road (with chance to win) is better than 20 at home. 10 point loss to UF on the road is better than 24 at home. Win vs UGA and USC a year after losing to both. Crompton from '08 disaster to an NFL draft pick. I'd say he improved us.

I thought he lost 30 scholarships at USC and only had 1 year of a full roster. A situation that some analyst have said was the worst blow to a program since SMU. I must've dreamed that.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Last I checked 7-5 and a respectable bowl game is better than 5-7 and no bowl game. A 2 point loss to Bama on the road (with chance to win) is better than 20 at home. 10 point loss to UF on the road is better than 24 at home. Win vs UGA and USC a year after losing to both. Crompton from '08 disaster to an NFL draft pick. I'd say he improved us.

I thought he lost 30 scholarships at USC and only had 1 year of a full roster. A situation that some analyst have said was the worst blow to a program since SMU. I must've dreamed that.
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Translation:
"Moral victories and excuses are ok for Kiffin. Not for Fulmer or Butch. "

JMO - he's a low character piece of **** that set our program back 5 years. Can't stand the guy.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Translation:
"Moral victories and excuses are ok for Kiffin. Not for Fulmer or Butch. "

JMO - he's a low character piece of **** that set our program back 5 years. Can't stand the guy.
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Translation: improvement means better than before. Everything I said was better than before. What Kiffin does in his personal life is his business and not relevant to his knowledge of the game. I'm not defending his character, I'm defending that we were a better, more competitive team under him in 2009 than Fulmer in 2008.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Translation: improvement means better than before. Everything I said was better than before. What Kiffin does in his personal life is his business and not relevant to his knowledge of the game. I'm not defending his character, I'm defending that we were a better, more competitive team under him in 2009 than Fulmer in 2008.
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Personal life? You jumped to that conclusion on your own.

Character and integrity counts in all aspects of a person's life. His ethics are questionable at best.

I'm talking about him openly telling early enrollees and recruits not to go to class and to come to USC as he was making his way out of Knoxville.

He is a lying piece of scum. Defend that all you want fanboy.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Personal life? You jumped to that conclusion on your own.

Character and integrity counts in all aspects of a person's life. His ethics are questionable at best.

I'm talking about him openly telling early enrollees and recruits not to go to class and to come to USC as he was making his way out of Knoxville.

He is a lying piece of scum. Defend that all you want fanboy.
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That was Orgeron while Kiffin was in his PC. And what coach doesn't recruit guys to his new school? I'd expect if we hired someone who was recruiting the same caliber of players as we're looking for, to do the same. Recruiting ability and connections, I would hope, is part of the hiring evaluation. Kiffin had a surefire top 5 and potential top 1 recruiting class going, no way he gives up on that.

You've completely deflected from the point I made that we were better on the field in his one year than the previous year, to now talking about character. The Kiffin hire didn't set us back. The Kiffin leaving set us back. Big difference since no one knew the latter was going to happen.

Nice touch with the fanboy "insult", that one hurt deep.
 
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TrueOrange said:
He's also had the best stretch they've had since the late 70s/early 80s under Vince Dooley.

In Richt's 15 years UGA is 144-51, with 9 years of 10+ game winning seasons (4 years where they won 11 or more games), 8 years where they finished in the top 10 (11 years where they finished ranked), won 2 SEC championships (and played in the SEC championship game 5 times), and are currently 9-5 during the what will currently be a 15- year bowl streak.


In the 12 years before he got there, UGA was 86-53-1, with 2 10 win seasons (they didn't see any 11, 12, or 13 win ones), finished in the top 10 twice (6 years when they finished ranked), won no SEC Championships, didn't play in the SEC Championship game, and were 6-2 in the 8 bowls they played in during those 12 years.


Not to mention he's also mostly done well against their major rivals - UGA's 12-2 against GT while he's been there, 10-5 against Auburn (Auburn had been 12-5-1 before Richt)...he still struggles with UF (around 5-10 against them) but the 5 wins they've had against UF while he's there were the most UGA had really seen since the 80s. Doesn't hurt that he's also 10-5 against UT.
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Never set foot in a stadium leading a team as HC for an NC and never will. Praying every night UGA keeps their standards mediocre ... "well uh, we won the East a coupla times" lol yas, yas you did little fellers, let the big boys shoot for natties.
 
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