Washington St. vs. USC

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Doyle Hargraves said:
Kiffin looks like he is hyperventilating and crapping his pants in that video.
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If USC had been smart They would have fired Him after getting slaughtered by UCLA last season. But He will be fired after UCLA slaughters them again this season.
 
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arkyvol said:
which makes me believe there's no way in hell weasel boy would agree to a game.
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I said I wish we had agreed to the game when he challenged Dooley to it because it would have been scheduled for this year. How hard is that to understand?
 
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MSCE09 said:
I said I wish we had agreed to the game when he challenged Dooley to it because it would have been scheduled for this year. How hard is that to understand?
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yes he challenged us to a game, but the year was never discussed. Kiffin acted like he wanted it to happen that year, but he knew our schedule was already full. Just kiffin being an a$$.
 
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tm3 said:
Leach doing the beyatch slap on little kiffy is especially amusing in light of the so-called "experts" here and in another UT forum that continue to proclaim lame a "great" coach while maintaining that Leach is a buffoon.

Oops
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Anybody that doesn't think Leach is a great coach (schematically) has a questionable IQ.
 
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RollinVol said:
His offense scored 3 points.
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Finda great coach whose offense has not at some point or other. His track record on offense is not even up for debate. The scrubs he has at state notwithstanding, it's a miracle they could beat the Trojans considering their recruiting, but credit must be given to the state defense. They did ok against auburn last week too
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Ya know, I'm starting to wonder if college football isn't changing when it comes to coaching hires. It seems you can hire a coach who "BECOMES" the program, as in it's the University of Kiffin, and the program is as good as the coach as long as the coach is there. OR you can build a program around a philosophy and hire coaches to the philosophy.

It just seems the transient nature of college coaches goes with the flash and done records as well. Look at USC they were very tough with Pete Carroll, they weren't that good before him and they haven't but that great since he left.

What do you guys think?
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No, not necessarily. Lucky enough for UT we didn't have that pompous D-bag around that long so it didn't hurt us as much as it could have has he stayed longer. We never became the "University of Kiffin" so to speak. And for a great reason. I have no doubt by now our program would have been on suspension or faced multiple recruiting and other violations. And honestly, I don't think USC has become the "UoK" either.

I think a good coach can win no matter where he happens to be as long as he brings in recruits and has the foundation of winning. Sure, they bring in his little quirks that are unique to their style, but the program either rises or falls on their ability to recruit and put that talent to work as well as having or building a base of tradition of winning. Lou Holtz is a classic example. Did great at Notre Dame and set the foundation for Carolina to become a powerhouse in the SEC East. While I give Spurrier mad credit for keeping USCe in contention with the rest of the SEC, it was Holtz that built that program. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Bob Stoops, et al are other examples that have either brought programs into national level contention or kept them there.

Kiffin is not a name I would associate with building a program or keeping it in National Championship contention. He can recruit like mad, coaches at a school that could/should be mopping up the entire left coast. But fails miserably with his on field antics and lack of ability as a head coach.

I believe the school's tradition combined with recruiting and adding in the coaching staff are the critical elements. And of the three, it's easiest to replace a coach. To replace your tradition as a National Championship contender? Not so easy. Once your program looses that element of being a traditional powerhouse in their conference or on a national stage, it's hard to get back. Take Pittsburgh for example. Or Colorado. Both teams that were once feared programs on the field, but have since slipped into mediocrity.

Recruiting, somewhat easy depending on your location. Kids start looking at schools based on location and tradition. It's natural for any star athlete in high school ball to look at their home state's school first provided that team has a traditional base of building winners. Kids from Tennessee will think about running at the head of the line through the T. Nebraska kids want to get recruited by the Huskers first and think of catching that Hail Mary pass for the win. A 4 star linebacker from Michigan will probably want to wear the blue and gold and hopes to put a hurting on OSU's quarterback in the Big 10 Championship game. They don't always end up signing with those teams, especially the highly ranked and recruited ones, but the majority will look into their home states first. The programs I listed above? None had been in NC contention for quite some time. But all three still achieve good recruiting classes based on the traditions of the school and how sweet the recruiters talk to them.

Kiffin is missing one key element. He has a school with a great tradition of fielding good teams. He has recruiting out the wazzu. But he cannot perform on the field and put that talent to work. And this is why USC sucks so bad right now.
 
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WoodstockVol said:
Lame Kiffin will probably be Coaching at Wyoming or UTEP in 2014 but I'd love to see Him Coach Vanderbilt in 2014 however.
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Kiffin might not be able to get even that "BIG" of a gig. He did make some earlier comments about coaching in a lower division, about how it might not be too bad. So, he might go try to go that route, if anyone would offer. But, since he apparently "hates" cold weather, that would restrict his opportunities.
 
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CA_Vol said:
I live in LA and even the USC fans are rooting against Kiffin. He has lost his dream job and will be pumping gas in no time.
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Maybe he has, or maybe not, Haden is pretty stubborn, aside from the sanctions and money issues and Kiffin still has time to turn things around. But, the fan base if upset and Haden is taking a lot of heat himself. It would be ironic if Kiffin is dumped and Orgeron became interim coach, Orgeron being more unethical than even Kiffin.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
Like the saying goes, you get what you wish for. You wanted Kiffin, you got him.
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Actually, Kiffin wasn't exactly wanted by anyone, other than AD Garrett, as a fill-in, because Garrett needed to find someone who would take the job after several more prominent "names" turned SC down. At least, that was what was bandied about when LK was chosen.
 
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mad4vols said:
I agree, a horrible day that every vol fan remembers where they were when they heard the news.
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I could not stand him. Hated the immature way he taunted other coaches, hated his mumbling, hated that he seemed to care about west coast football instead of our great traditions.

I was angry when they hired him and celebrated when he left.

Now Karma is biting him on the ass.
 
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JCP201 said:
I could not stand him. Hated the immature way he taunted other coaches, hated his mumbling, hated that he seemed to care about west coast football instead of our great traditions.

I was angry when they hired him and celebrated when he left.

Now Karma is biting him on the ass.
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Thing is the guy that replaced him was worse
 
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508mikey said:
Thing is the guy that replaced him was worse
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True, but it did set us up to eventually find a better coach.

But overall, I'd almost rather have Dooley's inefficiency and our past records rather than having the additional sanctions that were sure to come had Kiffin stayed around. When the NCAA starts eyeballing your program a little closer than most, that's the time to shut up.
 
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davethevol said:
This probably isn't a good sign for Kiffin. Y! SPORTS
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Few things that could have happened:

Players got together and said, "Hey guys, we need to get our collective crap together and start playing like we're at USC." (good for Kiffin)

Or "Hey guys, we need to get our collective crap together and ignore what coach says on play calling. He's not making the situation any better and it's time we started playing like we're at USC." (bad for Kiffin)

"Hey guys, enough is enough, we have no faith in the coach and need to elevate this higher." (bad for Kiffin)

No matter what, the game this weekend will be the turning point I would think. BC is coming in at 2-0 with pretty good victories over their opponents. USC has yet to have a solid victory over an opponent. So could make an interesting game.
 
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