Way to go, France

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San Diego Vol said:
I dont think you grasped the meaning of my use of safety. I was not referring to accidents, as in people couldn't see. Lol. I meant that people can conceal their identities.
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yes because people in burkas generally don't stand out in a crowd or get much interest from security.
 
#77
#77
San Diego Vol said:
I dont think you grasped the meaning of my use of safety. I was not referring to accidents, as in people couldn't see. Lol. I meant that people can conceal their identities.
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yet this law doesn't go after all people concealing their identities just ones wearing a burqa. If they want to get serious they need to include sunglasses and hoodies right?
 
#78
#78
San Diego Vol said:
I dont think you grasped the meaning of my use of safety. I was not referring to accidents, as in people couldn't see. Lol. I meant that people can conceal their identities.
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Right. Muslim women are knocking off banks everywhere. Ridiculous.
 
#79
#79
Cartervol said:
Well i'm seeing more and more of that here these days. Go to Wal-mart and you might think you're in the middle east somewhere on one day , then go to Wal-mart the next day and you might think you're in Mexico City. Isn't America great? Come one come all milk us dry and let our stupid government give you everything but the shirts off our backs.
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and if you go back on the 3rd day you'll think you stepped on the set of Deliverance 2: Spawn of Banjo Boy. Plenty of those people milking the gov't too
 
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#80
There are some states in US that ban persons from wearing masks, including ski masks in public. A hoodie and sunglasses still reveals a persons face to be identified.
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#81
tvolsfan said:
It's not just for their benefit, it's for everybody's benefit. For example, I'm not talking about holding a gun to their head and making them learn English. I just don't see a problem at all with making English the national language.
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I don't understand what making English the national language would do.

The legislative process is already conducted in English; that does not appear to be changing anytime soon.

However, I see no problem in publishing rules and regulations in multiple languages. If English were the "national language", then prosecuting a person who spoke Spanish and was ignorant of a law, would, in effect, be prosecuting that person for not speaking English.

I've seen people get upset that private enterprises print labels in Spanish and English; in my opinion, that enterprise can print a label in whatever language they so choose.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
There are some states in US that ban persons from wearing masks, including ski masks in public. A hoodie and sunglasses still reveals a persons face to be identified.
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Women also cannot drive in a housecoat in California...

Laws against ski masks are inane, as well.
 
#83
#83
utgibbs said:
And you cite a technology peoples have been using for trans-oceanic voyages at least 40,000 years.

There was no war technology gap. Bow and arrows were far more lethal and accurate than the firearms of the times.

But the horse and sword were still the MI-Abrahams of the time.
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People did not have the technology to move about 40 people in one vessel across a body of water the size of the Atlantic 40,000 years prior to Columbus.

I'd think cannons would be a fairly significant war technology, as well.
 
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#84
therealUT said:
Women also cannot drive in a housecoat in California...

Laws against ski masks are inane, as well.
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We are never going to agree, but whether you like it or not, our world has changed since 9/11.
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#85
#85
San Diego Vol said:
We are never going to agree, but whether you like it or not, our world has changed since 9/11.
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last year i was in line at the airport and a women in a burka was directly in front of me. they decided to "randomly" pick her and me for increased screening (i'm assuming because they didn't want to just pick her). i couldn't possibly think of a worst disguise than wearing a burka if you wanted to commit a crime. criminals generally don't like a big target on them.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
We are never going to agree, but whether you like it or not, our world has changed since 9/11.
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No it hasn't.

The only thing that has changed is that the governments that previously valued, or at least publicly showed deference to, individual liberty has now given those ideals up for some skewed notion of "security".
 
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therealUT said:
However, I see no problem in publishing rules and regulations in multiple languages. If English were the "national language", then prosecuting a person who spoke Spanish and was ignorant of a law, would, in effect, be prosecuting that person for not speaking English.
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I'm not saying they'll be prosecuted. You've been to other countries where they had an official language other than English, right? It's not like they just execute English speakers. Kids would hopefully just learn English as they go through school. There's literally no reason it should be a messy process.
 
#89
#89
tvolsfan said:
I'm not saying they'll be prosecuted. You've been to other countries where they had an official language other than English, right? It's not like they just execute English speakers. Kids would hopefully just learn English as they go through school. There's literally no reason it should be a messy process.
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Most other countries teach their children a second language from the beginning of their schooling. That needs to happen in America; if we declare that our "national language" is English, I would imagine we would move even further away from that very important step.

However, I should qualify this by stating that I still believe that Latin should be taught to elementary school children and continued through high school.
 
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#90
therealUT said:
However, I should qualify this by stating that I still believe that Latin should be taught to elementary school children and continued through high school.
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agree. It was required at my middle school and definitely helped once I started another language in HS
 
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kptvol said:
People did not have the technology to move about 40 people in one vessel across a body of water the size of the Atlantic 40,000 years prior to Columbus.

I'd think cannons would be a fairly significant war technology, as well.
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Wrong on point one. I believe a viable population size for successful island colonization is 40.

As for cannons, so the technology developed in China and Islam and barely (if at all) used in the Americas.

In addition, I got a factoid wrong. The scholarship puts the population of the Americas of at least 50M, not 15M.
 
#92
#92
therealUT said:
No, instead they were busy "colonizing" the world; this was a peacefully serene practice.

The reformation, the counter-reformation, and the thirty years war were also very peaceful and highly diplomatic.
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I never implied Europeans were saints, my point was that life in the 'New World' wasn't some carefree utopia.
 
#93
#93
utgibbs said:
Wrong on point one. I believe a viable population size for successful island colonization is 40.

As for cannons, so the technology developed in China and Islam and barely (if at all) used in the Americas.

In addition, I got a factoid wrong. The scholarship puts the population of the Americas of at least 50M, not 15M.
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No. Traveling in multiple small vessels may have occurred. Traveling in a large vessel like the Santa Maria did not.

Cannons were war technology. Europeans had them. Native Americans didn't. Period. The invaders were ahead technologically. I guess now we're only discussing weaponry, which may make things a little more even. It doesn't mean the Indians were stupid. It doesn't mean their population was smaller. It's just the way it was.

As for your factoid, don't worry about it. It's not news to me.
 
#94
#94
therealUT said:
Most other countries teach their children a second language from the beginning of their schooling. That needs to happen in America; if we declare that our "national language" is English, I would imagine we would move even further away from that very important step.

However, I should qualify this by stating that I still believe that Latin should be taught to elementary school children and continued through high school.
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I doubt that would have any impact.

I speak 2 languages. It's overrated. I never use Spanish, even in a country that has a lot of Spanish-only speakers.

"Latin is a dead language" - Max Fischer
 
#95
#95
Re: bilingualism. I recently had an interesting conversation with a 1st generation Hispanic gentleman. His view was that offering basic information and services in Spanish was harmful and racist. By allowing immigrants to just get by on the basics without learning English in effect created a 'glass ceiling' that many would not break through. He was very much in favor of forcing immigrants to learn English to open opportunities. This man's parents emigrated less than 30 years ago and forced all of their children to speak English at home.
 
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#96
therealUT said:
Most other countries teach their children a second language from the beginning of their schooling. That needs to happen in America;
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why? i've gone all over the world and osaka was the only place i really needed to know the language to get by. english is the language of business worldwide.
 
#97
#97
CSVol said:
Re: bilingualism. I recently had an interesting conversation with a 1st generation Hispanic gentleman. His view was that offering basic information and services in Spanish was harmful and racist. By allowing immigrants to just get by on the basics without learning English in effect created a 'glass ceiling' that many would not break through. He was very much in favor of forcing immigrants to learn English to open opportunities. This man's parents emigrated less than 30 years ago and forced all of their children to speak English at home.
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the older person is still going to go to their spanish speaking market and such. most kids seem to pick up english just fine. bilingual teaching has ruined the school systems in southern california though.
 
#98
#98
droski said:
why? i've gone all over the world and osaka was the only place i really needed to know the language to get by. english is the language of business worldwide.
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Once you get out of the major hubs, you will have a much more difficult time communicating if you do not know either the local language or are fluent in a closely related language.
 
#99
#99
droski said:
the older person is still going to go to their spanish speaking market and such. most kids seem to pick up english just fine. bilingual teaching has ruined the school systems in southern california though.
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I don't believe he's calling for bilingual education but learning a 2nd language
 
#100
#100
therealUT said:
Once you get out of the major hubs, you will have a much more difficult time communicating if you do not know either the local language or are fluent in a closely related language.
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yes and how many times in your life is this going to happen? i should learn french for teh 1 month in my entire life i'm visiting the french countryside?
 
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