Wayfair Child Sex Trafficking

[ajvol01]

My buddy just made a great point against the wayfair theory:

Yeah, but i think the simplest scenario would be that traffickers use encrypted dark web platforms and crytocurrency. Not credit cards and googleable posts.

Great point.

What percentage of criminals are smart enough to never get caught?

What if there are some really dumb ones out there?

 

[n_huffhines]

Great point.

What percentage of criminals are smart enough to never get caught?

What if there are some really dumb ones out there?

This wouldn't just be a couple of dumb criminals, this would require a dumb criminal organization and dumb customers (because of credit cards), too. But yeah, it doesn't make it totally implausible, just less plausible.

 

[ajvol01]

 

[golfballs]

A lot of theorizing going on, but at the very least certainly the seller could explain these “coincidences”.

WFX Utility is the vendor of the lockers. Many of the items they sell don’t have names. But some do. Just now pulled up their site and right off the bat found a storage rack called “Paityn”. Seems like and odd name. Also odd that some similar racks don’t have any name, just called “3 shelf rack”. But this one does. Anyway enter it into google and viola, that’s the name of a missing 15 y/o girl in Washington who was reported missing last month. The next item down is a metal bar for a shelving unit called “Rayna”. Another google... and there’s a 21 year old named Rayna who went missing last month. She was just recently found dead. A few products down is a stepstool called “Ernestine”. Also, a 21 year old who was reported missing this march.
seriously wtf is up with that? In 1999 when she was born, according to SS data she was one of 11 girls w that name. Out of 3.7M births.

 

[hndog609]

A lot of theorizing going on, but at the very least certainly the seller could explain these “coincidences”.

WFX Utility is the vendor of the lockers. Many of the items they sell don’t have names. But some do. Just now pulled up their site and right off the bat found a storage rack called “Paityn”. Seems like and odd name. Also odd that some similar racks don’t have any name, just called “3 shelf rack”. But this one does. Anyway enter it into google and viola, that’s the name of a missing 15 y/o girl in Washington who was reported missing last month. The next item down is a metal bar for a shelving unit called “Rayna”. Another google... and there’s a 21 year old named Rayna who went missing last month. She was just recently found dead. A few products down is a stepstool called “Ernestine”. Also, a 21 year old who was reported missing this march.
seriously wtf is up with that? In 1999 when she was born, according to SS data she was one of 11 girls w that name. Out of 3.7M births.

This is pretty depressing but try to find a remotely common name that doesn't pull up as someone missing.

 

[McDad]

A lot of theorizing going on, but at the very least certainly the seller could explain these “coincidences”.

WFX Utility is the vendor of the lockers. Many of the items they sell don’t have names. But some do. Just now pulled up their site and right off the bat found a storage rack called “Paityn”. Seems like and odd name. Also odd that some similar racks don’t have any name, just called “3 shelf rack”. But this one does. Anyway enter it into google and viola, that’s the name of a missing 15 y/o girl in Washington who was reported missing last month. The next item down is a metal bar for a shelving unit called “Rayna”. Another google... and there’s a 21 year old named Rayna who went missing last month. She was just recently found dead. A few products down is a stepstool called “Ernestine”. Also, a 21 year old who was reported missing this march.
seriously wtf is up with that? In 1999 when she was born, according to SS data she was one of 11 girls w that name. Out of 3.7M births.

I asked nhuff yesterday about the odd coincidence of product names and missing persons.

It's suspicious, but sometimes these manufacturers literally have tens of thousands of sku's. These sku's are often given random names that people use. It's a pretty reasonable solution for mass naming products. The fact that some of these are oddly specific spellings of names raises red flags, however, we do see this in marketing where things are misspelled so that the name is more memorable.

I see his point. It makes sense skus be given random names to reduce confusion (or whatever).

Ernestine as an sku name, though??? Again, I can't make sense of it.

 

[OldVolMan]

Some crazy stuff!

 

[Wireless1]

You can put almost any name in to Wayfair search and find products. Try your own, first and last, you will find many different products.

nope.

 

[n_huffhines]

I asked nhuff yesterday about the odd coincidence of product names and missing persons.

I see his point. It makes sense skus be given random names to reduce confusion (or whatever).

Ernestine as an sku name, though??? Again, I can't make sense of it.

Why does that one throw you off? That's actually a real name with a normal spelling. It's not a very common name these days, but if your Great Aunt was named Ernestine, you might name one of your designs that.

 

[BP4Prez]

nope.
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Is your name wireless1? Put your actual first name in there.

 

[NEO]

Which club? Was it in aNashville?

Columbus.


Entire club and building are gone now. Got shut down permanently due to some illegal activity. Was on 161 across from Hooters which we hired alot of girls from.

It is not the best part of my life honestly.

Some things fo change you.

 

[McDad]

Why does that one throw you off? That's actually a real name with a normal spelling. It's not a very common name these days, but if your Great Aunt was named Ernestine, you might name one of your designs that.

I misunderstood your reply yesterday. I thought 'random names people use' would be like a name generator, or common-everyday popular names in use. Ernestine throws me off because of that.

I should search for products named Blanche, Myrtle, Dick, and Ervin to see what shows up.

 

[LouderVol]

A lot of theorizing going on, but at the very least certainly the seller could explain these “coincidences”.

WFX Utility is the vendor of the lockers. Many of the items they sell don’t have names. But some do. Just now pulled up their site and right off the bat found a storage rack called “Paityn”. Seems like and odd name. Also odd that some similar racks don’t have any name, just called “3 shelf rack”. But this one does. Anyway enter it into google and viola, that’s the name of a missing 15 y/o girl in Washington who was reported missing last month. The next item down is a metal bar for a shelving unit called “Rayna”. Another google... and there’s a 21 year old named Rayna who went missing last month. She was just recently found dead. A few products down is a stepstool called “Ernestine”. Also, a 21 year old who was reported missing this march.
seriously wtf is up with that? In 1999 when she was born, according to SS data she was one of 11 girls w that name. Out of 3.7M births.

Is this manufacturer close to where these girls went missing?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is this manufacturer close to where these girls went missing?

Would they want the distribution center close to the abduction area?

 

[McDad]

So I just tried a bunch of names. Almost every name had results. All results were reasonably priced for the product listing.

Oddly, my wife's name had zero results. It thought I misspelled her name for another fairly common word.

 

[LouderVol]

Would they want the distribution center close to the abduction area?

I have no idea. I am looking for some sort of tie beyond the names. Does t even have to be true "evidence" but one piece of web based circumstantial evidence seems like a very week limb.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have no idea. I am looking for some sort of tie beyond the names. Does t even have to be true "evidence" but one piece of web based circumstantial evidence seems like a very week limb.

I don't think there's just one piece. The names. The prices. The seeming disconnect between responses from Wayfair.

All we're going to get right now is circumstantial. Thankfully, it sounds like the FBI is investigating.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think there's just one piece. The names. The prices. The seeming disconnect between responses from Wayfair.

All we're going to get right now is circumstantial. Thankfully, it sounds like the FBI is investigating.

I think of the names/prices as one in the same. Would anyone care if a normal priced item had the name of a missing person? Would anyone care if there was just some high priced items?

The wayfair response was the typical company line. Innocent or guilty they arent going to say anything that could weight the scales.

 

[McDad]

I think of the names/prices as one in the same. Would anyone care if a normal priced item had the name of a missing person? Would anyone care if there was just some high priced items?

The wayfair response was the typical company line. Innocent or guilty they arent going to say anything that could weight the scales.

No.

 

[LouderVol]

No.

Which is why I think of name/price as one issue/evidence.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think of the names/prices as one in the same. Would anyone care if a normal priced item had the name of a missing person? Would anyone care if there was just some high priced items?

The wayfair response was the typical company line. Innocent or guilty they arent going to say anything that could weight the scales.

You just listed them separately, as well as why their existence as a pair is important. That's my point.

If either can exist in isolation, it's not a single piece of evidence. If both together make them more suspicious, as you said, then they are each an independent piece of evidence existing suspiciously together.

 

[LouderVol]

You just listed them separately, as well as why their existence as a pair is important. That's my point.

If either can exist in isolation, it's not a single piece of evidence. If both together make them more suspicious, as you said, then they are each an independent piece of evidence existing suspiciously together.

But neither alone rises to even the level of concern.

It's only together that they matter. Alone they dont matter. The sum is greater than the parts.

And in this case the sum is just barely enough to matter.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Wayfair has annual revenue of $9 billion. Do you actually believe they would risk their entire business on an illegal operation to traffic children?

I agree with your overall point... But by that logic, no rich person would ever do anything illegal.

 

[Orange_Crush]

But neither alone rises to even the level of concern.

It's only together that they matter. Alone they dont matter. The sum is greater than the parts.

And in this case the sum is just barely enough to matter.

So, only something that is at a level of concern is considered evidence? I'm not trying to be an ass. I truly don't understand the point you're trying to make.

There are 1,000 footprints outside my house and innumerable fingerprints inside of it. Each is a piece of evidence in an investigation. There are millions of pieces of evidence in my automobile. Investigation is the piecing of otherwise benign evidence together that starts to create suspicion or proving guilt.

I guess you're saying that you need more evidence. That's cool. But you're also saying that just those two pieces of evidence together looks sketchy. I agree with that.

 

[LouderVol]

So, only something that is at a level of concern is considered evidence? I'm not trying to be an ass. I truly don't understand the point you're trying to make.

There are 1,000 footprints outside my house and innumerable fingerprints inside of it. Each is a piece of evidence in an investigation. There are millions of pieces of evidence in my automobile. Investigation is the piecing of otherwise benign evidence together that starts to create suspicion or proving guilt.

I guess you're saying that you need more evidence. That's cool. But you're also saying that just those two pieces of evidence together looks sketchy. I agree with that.

I am saying that one (just continuing my stance not being a dick) is not enough to base an investigation on. Especially without any proven ties to what may or may not be an actual crime with the missing girls.

Because there is no link between the potential crimes and these potential pieces of evidence.

Right now this is saying that footprints under the City Courthouse window is tied to your missing keys at your house.

Could they be? Sure. Do we have any rational reason to believe there is a link with no further evidence? No.