We are quickly losing the battle with LGBTIQ...

[Septic]

Only the tip of the iceberg. I won't air the family's dirty laundry.

I can't imagine a worse nightmare than having to be reminded of Paul 'the filthy old drunk' Bryant every day by looking at houndstooth drapes. F that.

I'd raze the house on the spot.

 

[MercyPercy]

I've been married to a divorced woman for close to 40 years.
According to the biblical Jesus that makes us adulterers unless infidelity was involved.
Not committing adultery is one of the ten commandments.
Biblical Jesus never addressed homosexuality.
Yes, I know Paul did.

I've always wondered if the preachers who refused to marry gays also refused to marry divorced people.
Did the bakers who refused to make a wedding cake for gays have an issue with making one for divorced couples.
Did the West Virginia county clerk Kim Davis who refused to issue marriage licenses to gays do the same when divorced couples wanted one.
If the answer to these questions is no aren't they hypocrites?

If your view of homosexuals is based on it being a sin issue does my marriage bother you also?
If not isn't that hypocritical?

I am guessing this will not be seriously addressed because it would force the pearl clutches to do a little introspection and consider why exactly homosexuality sticks in their craw so much more than other sin, like divorce, which they either openly participate in or don't devote nearly as much ire to.

 

[1972 Grad]

I am guessing this will not be seriously addressed because it would force the pearl clutches to do a little introspection and consider why exactly homosexuality sticks in their craw so much more than other sin, like divorce, which they either openly participate in or don't devote nearly as much ire to.

Says a man whose sole goal in life is to kill fish, while watching them gasp for breath.

 

[Weezer]

You’re standing on the shoulders of giants buddy.
It’s easy to look at things in the 21st century when western civilization (and the moral fabric that exist today) was built upon Christian ethics.

Everyone here simply wants to worry about their own lives. Unfortunately, that is NOT the agenda of the left. That agenda is to degrade the very moral foundation they stand on while they wag their fingers at who they label bigots.
you knuckleheads keep saying “what happens in someone’s bedroom, ... blah, blah.” If it was kept in the bedroom we wouldn’t be having these discussions.

So do you have a problem with straight people who don't keep it in the bedroom? Should "good Christians" get rights denied to others? Do you want others holding you to the standards they live by, be they religious or other?

 

[Orange_Crush]

The Great Commission, from Matthew 28: 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

If you look at the teachings and works of the Christ, you'll find that his judgment was reserved for those in power, those who had the ability to do more for those around them, those who used their positions to accumulate more wealth and power and influence rather than lift up those who had little. The beatitudes shared at the Sermon on the Mount were a direct attack at those in power - the Sanhedrin, Herod, Rome, etc.

You also use a definition of sin that doesn't fit hermeneutically. "Sin" means "to miss the mark", as in archery - more literally, to fail to achieve the desired result. Disobedience is not sin; it hits the desired target dead center. It is its own thing.

If I'm following the examples and teachings of Jesus, then I'm healing the child of the occupying enemy force. I'm saving the adultress from the hands of a bloodthirsty mob wanting justice. I'm multiplying food and giving it without question to a hungry crowd. I'm calling government and religious leaders out on their self-promoting and self-benefiting practices.



And Christ said "So have you done to the least of these, you have done also to me."

I think you have the wrong person drawing the bullseye.

And Jesus told the adulteress you mentioned to go and sin no more.

 

[RockyTop85]

Not worth it.

 

[Wafflestomper]

You’re standing on the shoulders of giants buddy.
It’s easy to look at things in the 21st century when western civilization (and the moral fabric that exist today) was built upon Christian ethics.

Everyone here simply wants to worry about their own lives. Unfortunately, that is NOT the agenda of the left. That agenda is to degrade the very moral foundation they stand on while they wag their fingers at who they label bigots.
you knuckleheads keep saying “what happens in someone’s bedroom, ... blah, blah.” If it was kept in the bedroom we wouldn’t be having these discussions.

And the culmination of all that philosophy has led to philosophers overwhelmingly rejecting religion, while also overwhelmingly affirming objective morality. It's almost like you've glossed over hundreds of years of philosophical discourse to bolster your case for Christian ethics being the only tenable position.

 

[allvol123]

Kenin in the final! USA! USA!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Keep everything behind closed doors and everything is fine, it's when people decide to flaunt public displays of affection that people get pissed.

LGBTIQ can't have it both ways... they can't say "What goes on in my bedroom is none of your business" and at the same time bring their bedroom activities out on display in the public.

(pun intended)

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Not an answer. You don’t have to be a doctor to know the answer. It’s clear.
Dodging

Really?

 

[GVF]

triggered

Nope. Just calling an egg an egg

 

[Wafflestomper]

LGBTIQ can't have it both ways... they can't say "What goes on in my bedroom is none of your business" and at the same time bring their bedroom activities out on display in the public.

(pun intended)

How many times have you witnessed gays ****ing in public?

And is the ability to **** in the streets what you take the LGBT community to be demanding?

 

[tennvols77]

Many Christians: "We don't want your homosexual values pushed on us."

Also many Christians: "We're going to push our Christian values on you."

Not sure how this makes sense. If you disagree with homosexuality, don't practice it. Problem solved. But don't condemn those that do. Let them find their happiness. If you believe in God as strongly as you protest, then you know judgement is ultimately His. And I promise you, everyone already knows how you feel so there's nothing gained by openly berating LGBTQs or condemning their life style. They know what they're risking according to your beliefs. This is like the ultimate beating of a dead horse. Worry more about your own lives and your own sins, and let people be free to live theirs without you looking down upon them, because whether you admit it or not, that's exactly what you are doing.

why turning a cheek and not passing judgement (regardless if deserved in the eyes of the faith as it is viewed), and tolerating whatever the sin or act is, even if one passes judgment, isn't the ?better/correct? solution than speaking out against, condemning, or actively going after the sin and sinner?

How, if we are all sinners, and no one but God can pass judgement, why crusade against the sin and sinner? Shouldn't it, the "sin", as well as the "sinner", be looked at as no different than any other "sin" or "sinner" regardless of the "sin"?

I think with anything in life it's tolerate, it exists, you don't like it, then turn away, move on, don't think about or put yourself near, into, or involving the "it", and leave it alone.

We don't interact when passing by, and we do it civilly and without acknowledging eithers existence and live our lives, until.....one person begins to poke and pick and make it their mission to preach or pressure or try to take away my rights and abilities to avoid you, at which point it is a problem IMO.
If I can leave you alone, why can't you leave me alone kin d of thing.

Unfortunately, you would think being able to tolerate others at worst wouldn't be that hard.

We all get "preachy" at some point, but, hopefully dialogue and conversation end in worst cases, walking away and never dealing with one another again.

With all of these types of discussions, no one is going to instantaneously change their mind, and say, you are right.

You can condemn, disagree, look down on, even hate what the other side is and says, people have that right. But, unless the other side is forcibly pushing and not relinquishing, even after you have said your peace, there are only two options moving forward where diametrically opposed forces are heading towards collision. Bang into each other, or past one another. Or, do the improbable and just turn away.

We don't even have to respect each other, just tolerate, which means no matter what, unless you are coming into my yard and endlessly harrassing and crapping all over the place and on me, we can live side by side and never have to deal with one another, if we choose to do so.

 

[Roustabout]

Really?

Yes, really

 

[Roustabout]

And the culmination of all that philosophy has led to philosophers overwhelmingly rejecting religion, while also overwhelmingly affirming objective morality. It's almost like you've glossed over hundreds of years of philosophical discourse to bolster your case for Christian ethics being the only tenable position.

Spare me. That’s. It what i said at all.

I think that’s a pretty sweeping statement you just made, BTW.

 

[Wafflestomper]

Spare me. That’s. It what i said at all.

Oh, I'm sorry. You're allowed to preach to us about how western values are inextricably linked to Christianity and no one is allowed to point out that you're full of ****?

 

[Roustabout]

So do you have a problem with straight people who don't keep it in the bedroom? Should "good Christians" get rights denied to others? Do you want others holding you to the standards they live by, be they religious or other?

You are making a category error here and assuming something about my position that isn’t the case.
I think standards (ethics) are part and parcel to society. Every civilization exists because of this. So, everyone has standards.
My issue isn’t about being grossed out by PDA. I’m concerned with how the LGBT movement affects civilization and liberty. I could care less if Bob is grossed out by gay people kissing.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

You are making a category error here and assuming something about my position that isn’t the case.
I think standards (ethics) are part and parcel to society. Every civilization exists because of this. So, everyone has standards.
My issue isn’t about being grossed out by PDA. I’m concerned with how the LGBT movement affects civilization and liberty. I could care less if Bob is grossed out by gay people kissing.

So gay people are unethical?

 

[Mick]

 

[Weezer]

You are making a category error here and assuming something about my position that isn’t the case.
I think standards (ethics) are part and parcel to society. Every civilization exists because of this. So, everyone has standards.
My issue isn’t about being grossed out by PDA. I’m concerned with how the LGBT movement affects civilization and liberty. I could care less if Bob is grossed out by gay people kissing.

Asking questions isn't making assumptions. And you didn't really answer the questions.

You're concerned for civilization and liberty, so you're arguing against liberty for homosexuals? What?

 

[Purple Tiger]

Why should anyone be forced to participate in someone’s mental disorder and/or delusional self image?

We put up with yours.

 

[Purple Tiger]

And Jesus told the adulteress you mentioned to go and sin no more.

Before that, He told the sinners who wanted to stone her that they were no better than her.

 

[volfanjustin]

Now do one for the Koran

 

[Orange_Crush]

Before that, He told the sinners who wanted to stone her that they were no better than her.

He sure did. You're really not making the case that Jesus proved that it's unloving to tell people they're sinners/sinning, and that they should stop.