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#526
#526
Orange_Crush said:
He sure did. You're really not making the case that Jesus proved that it's unloving to tell people they're sinners/sinning, and that they should stop.
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Did I say that? The point of the story was not go and sin no more, but those without sin can cast the first stone.
 
#527
#527
Purple Tiger said:
Did I say that? The point of the story was not go and sin no more, but those without sin can cast the first stone.
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It was both.

Jesus was stating that all are sinners and need forgiveness and no one is perfect. He was also telling her to try harder and be a better person.

The whole thing boils down to we all suck and have our own issues but we need to try to overcome them.
 
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#528
#528
Septic said:
I don't understand, is this some sort of gay slang?
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He and his partner bought a Tesla. I think they'd been wanting one for a while.
In regards to where he went, at one time i think they were considering an opportunity in another country.
 
#529
#529
McDad said:
He and his partner bought a Tesla. I think they'd been wanting one for a while.
In regards to where he went, at one time i think they were considering an opportunity in another country.
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I hope they didn't buy the tesla just to turn around and move. Also, moving to a different country shouldn't have an effect on the interweb access, i'd suspect.
 
#531
#531
Purple Tiger said:
Did I say that? The point of the story was not go and sin no more, but those without sin can cast the first stone.
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Well, you came into a conversation about how Christians should act, after telling us earlier that...

Purple Tiger said:
This is the way our society should be, according to Jesus:

John 13:34-35: A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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And still earlier that Christians are commanded not to judge or call sin out (at which time you were shown to be wrong.

And you haven't shown yourself incredibly adept at interpreting what the point of Biblical texts are about, having quoted Jesus' instruction to judge the actions and spiritual states of others, and used it claim Jesus was saying not to judge the actions and spiritual states of others.

The point is that Jesus called her sin out. He called their sin out. That undermines the idea that it's wrong/hateful or unloving to point out a person's sin.

And if someone here's lobbying for a death penalty, your point about "casting stones" grows some teeth. Otherwise, you're still swinging and missing.
 
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#532
NEOCON said:
It was both.

Jesus was stating that all are sinners and need forgiveness and no one is perfect. He was also telling her to try harder and be a better person.

The whole thing boils down to we all suck and have our own issues but we need to try to overcome them.
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So, we need to consider why He was telling people to stop sinning.

As posted earlier that it's better to gouge out eyes and cut off hands than to sin. He saw it as destructive to the individual sinning and the individual who is sinned against. It seems a preview of the principle in Romans that "the wages of sin is death".

So, if sin is destructive and damaging to the person doing it, is it unloving to point out that it is destructive to the person committing it, and offering the opinion that they should stop?

In Jesus 3, Jesus tied sin (evil works) to physical death and eternal condemnation.

Again... If this is true... Even if you only believe it's true, is it unloving or loving to warn people of their sin?

From Old Testament to New, we see the pattern of the gospel was Expose sin (guilt) > offer grace > salvation. (It makes no sense to tell someone they need God's grace without having first told them that they have sinned against Him.) For example, you can see Jesus' interaction with the woman at the well. Pointed out her sin (adultery), offered grace, salvation.

So again... Is it hateful and unloving to work through a progression that ends in their receiving their greatest need?

The point Purple seems to be taking issue with is Jesus as the example. If Jesus is God and exemplifies love, and Jesus exposed people's sin, then is it unloving (hateful) to expose sin?

((That wasn't an argument or debate with you. It was using your reply as an opportunity to continue the conversation.))
 
#533
#533
volfanhill said:
Why are we at battle with people wanting to live their lives? Seems strange to “battle” what people do in the bedroom.
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Why are those people so compelled to tell us all about it? I couldn't care less that Bruce Jenner had his manhood removed to become a lesbian. Why is it news?
 
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#534
Weezer said:
Asking questions isn't making assumptions. And you didn't really answer the questions.

You're concerned for civilization and liberty, so you're arguing against liberty for homosexuals? What?
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If you ask a question that is loaded with false assumptions, why would I answer? I pointed those out. If you want to ask a revised question based on that I’ll be glad to answer:
 
#535
#535
Weezer said:
Asking questions isn't making assumptions. And you didn't really answer the questions.

You're concerned for civilization and liberty, so you're arguing against liberty for homosexuals? What?
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If you ask a question that is loaded with false assumptions, why would I answer? I pointed those out. If you want to ask a revised question based on that I’ll be glad to answer.

Where have I ever advocated anyone be denied liberty? That’s absurd. Quit doubling down on the false assumptions. You aren’t willing to have an honest debate. It would be like me asking you “why do you hate America?” It’s dishonest.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, we need to consider why He was telling people to stop sinning.

As posted earlier that it's better to gouge out eyes and cut off hands than to sin. He saw it as destructive to the individual sinning and the individual who is sinned against. It seems a preview of the principle in Romans that "the wages of sin is death".

So, if sin is destructive and damaging to the person doing it, is it unloving to point out that it is destructive to the person committing it, and offering the opinion that they should stop?

In Jesus 3, Jesus tied sin (evil works) to physical death and eternal condemnation.

Again... If this is true... Even if you only believe it's true, is it unloving or loving to warn people of their sin?

From Old Testament to New, we see the pattern of the gospel was Expose sin (guilt) > offer grace > salvation. (It makes no sense to tell someone they need God's grace without having first told them that they have sinned against Him.) For example, you can see Jesus' interaction with the woman at the well. Pointed out her sin (adultery), offered grace, salvation.

So again... Is it hateful and unloving to work through a progression that ends in their receiving their greatest need?

The point Purple seems to be taking issue with is Jesus as the example. If Jesus is God and exemplifies love, and Jesus exposed people's sin, then is it unloving (hateful) to expose sin?

((That wasn't an argument or debate with you. It was using your reply as an opportunity to continue the conversation.))
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There is a difference between being sanctimonious like the Pharisees and telling someone to straighten up because you love them.

I love my son. I am a sinner. My son lies to me I ground him. I have lied and am not perfect but I want my son to know right from wrong. I discipline him with love and respect though.

It is always ok to tell someone they are sinning and need to straighten up. But there is a very fine line between helping and judging. Judging places you above the person.

I believe homosexuality is a sin. But I can only see the sin. I have no idea if it is the persons life choice or they are truly dealing with a chemical or genetic issue. So I tell thst person to read the Bible and seek God and God will guide them. It’s above my pay grade. I see the sin but hsve no idea why they are sinning.

We all have are own demons we battle.
 
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To be honest, I couldn't care less what you think the Bible tells you to do or believe. Jesus said it is not my place to judge others and that we are all sinners. God has infinite mercy and grace to forgive everyone who asks for it.
 
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#546
#546
hog88 said:
He doing ok?
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Seems to be. He was busy with event security at the Rose Bowl earlier in the month. His attitude is good.
I am considering going to OK for the UT game. If I do, I was gonna pay him a visit. Don't tell Louder.
 
#548
#548
Purple Tiger said:
To be honest, I couldn't care less what you think the Bible tells you to do or believe. Jesus said it is not my place to judge others and that we are all sinners. God has infinite mercy and grace to forgive everyone who asks for it.
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Copout. You cared enough to try to correct me.
 
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