We have to start taking shots deep

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VOLorNuttin

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One thing I've noticed about this offense....like it or love it...is that we are simply not even attempting to take shots deep. You can make excuses such as lack of experience....yada, yada, yada...but we do have lots of size to throw at teams and even when covered decently, the percentages are in our favor that the bigger WR will out-jump/out-muscle the smallish db's or have a PI called against them (that db). The chances of it being intercepted (if the ball is thrown well) is much lower when you have a size mismatch like we have.

I hope Coach Bajakian starts to change this trend, and exploits the size we have at WR. We are going to NEED to take our shots downrange, if for no other reason than to make defenses respect the deep pass and keep their safeties high. This will help our running game as much as anything else we could do, schematically.

Defenses have crowded the LOS to stop the run and played our WR's in man coverage. They are begging us to burn their arses deep. To this point, we really haven't even tried. Against Bama, we are going to need some big plays deep, to even have half a chance....and get their safeties away from the LOS.
 
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big harry said:
Have you seen Worley's long ball? Yeah, me neither.
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I recall him making a decent pass to Josh Smith in the end zone, against the USA game, but that was an intermediate pass. He threw them well in HS, so no reason he can't now.
 
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It would be nice to stretch them out a bit, I agree. But given how Worley has played in prior games, and the routes that were being run, I can't say I blame the coaches for calling that often. This past game we saw a lot more confidence, if that keeps up you'll see it more. In particular Marquez North spectacular catch in endzone, has got to build a little confidence on some long ball.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I recall him making a decent pass to Josh Smith in the end zone, against the USA game, but that was an intermediate pass. He threw them well in HS, so no reason he can't now.
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i also recall him throwing one to croom and hit his hands but was dropped, it wont be used until it works.
(different game i think.)
 
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nagle said:
i also recall him throwing one to croom and hit his hands but was dropped, its their but wont be used until it works.
different game i think.
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in fall camp, I saw numerous clips of him and North catching long balls over the db in the end zone, so one drop shouldn't make or break their decision.

I don't know how we can expect to run much when defenses know we aren't going to throw deep at all during the game. Opposing DC's can watch tape of our games and determine it's best to just camp their safeties out close to the LOS, rather than keep two deep.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
in fall camp, I saw numerous clips of him and North catching long balls over the db in the end zone, so one drop shouldn't make or break their decision.

I don't know how we can expect to run much when defenses know we aren't going to throw deep at all during the game. Opposing DC's can watch tape of our games and determine it's best to just camp their safeties out close to the LOS, rather than keep two deep.
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i agree, just the coaches waiting for some one to step up, i guess.
 
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When our young receivers are getting jammed at the line and Worley's ability to get the ball deep accurately is still suspect, taking shots down field is not the best way to go.

You want to break a struggling QBs confidence completely?
Keep having him heave the ball deep to either an incompletion or interception.
 
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Volgrad98 said:
When our young receivers are getting jammed at the line and Worley's ability to get the ball deep accurately is still suspect, taking shots down field is not the best way to go.

You want to break a struggling QBs confidence completely?
Keep having him heave the ball deep to either an incompletion or interception.
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Jeff Garcia threw to Alshon Jeffrey deep a lot, and he was no better a QB, IMHO than Worley.
 
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I had a very deep shot glass on Sat and I'm still paying for it.... Keep the deep shots to a minimum! My liver and head beg of this!
 
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Volgrad98 said:
When our young receivers are getting jammed at the line and Worley's ability to get the ball deep accurately is still suspect, taking shots down field is not the best way to go.

You want to break a struggling QBs confidence completely?
Keep having him heave the ball deep to either an incompletion or interception.
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lol, no is saying break his confidence , he has hit the long ball on a few attempts when he does not throw into double or triple coverage but it was dropped. keep trying it if they are not doubled or tripled teamed . this also means if the o-line is blocking good.
 
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I don't think you will ever see any seam routes as we were accustomed with Bray because the arm strength just isn't there. The deep ball is a different pass, but I agree that they are being cautious with Worley. I also don't think CBJ's offense utilizes a whole lot of deep passes. It seems to emphasize shorter passes to get receivers in space. That is why the slot is important. If we land Malone, I am sure you will see them try to take advantage with he and North. Booth isn't small either, and Harris will most likely be on the outside. Damn, the WR group could be filthy.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Jeff Garcia threw to Alshon Jeffrey deep a lot, and he was no better a QB, IMHO than Worley.
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Alshon was able to get open more because he was a mismatch for linebackers and is a stud at his position. If we had a tight end like that, I'm sure more things would open up down the field.

Also, Garcia has a stronger arm than Worley.
 
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i wouldn't mind seeing Worley throw a couple of deep passes,during each half to keep the Ds honest,but make it plain,if there not wide open to check down
 
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Volgrad98 said:
Alshon was able to get open more because he was a mismatch for linebackers and is a stud at his position. If we had a tight end like that, I'm sure more things would open up down the field.

Also, Garcia has a stronger arm than Worley.
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Jeffery was and is a WR. But yes, Stephen Garcia had a bigger arm than Worley. In one of our games, Jeffery took a 15 yard pass to the house, so he didn't always need a long pass.
 
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Volgrad98 said:
Alshon was able to get open more because he was a mismatch for linebackers and is a stud at his position. If we had a tight end like that, I'm sure more things would open up down the field.

Also, Garcia has a stronger arm than Worley.
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As long as Helm sticks for the 2014 class, you will see a whole new offense come next year. CBJ and Mike B. love running a slot TE system, but the TE must be a jack of all trades while also having the ability to run through the slot. This fits Helm unbelievably. Wolf will also be key as he will be used as a blocker/FB/TE. People got a glimpse of what CBJ and Mike B. like to do on the 4th and 1 play when AJ Branisel ran essentially a wheel route out of the TE spot in a I-form set. Very gutsy call, but also totally unorthodox and unexpected.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Jeffery was and is a WR. But yes, Stephen Garcia had a bigger arm than Worley. In one of our games, Jeffery took a 15 yard pass to the house, so he didn't always need a long pass.
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My bad. You are correct.
 
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