We have to start taking shots deep

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#30
With the number of 3 and outs we have had, i would rather take short passes all day, sustain drives and give more rest to D
 
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Vols4ever said:
With the number of 3 and outs we have had, i would rather take short passes all day, sustain drives and give more rest to D
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Problem with that is opponents know those tendencies and can sit on short routes + safeties, instead of staying deep in coverage, can drift forward toward the LOS, in run support.

We'll have no chance to beat Bamer if they have no reason to defend the deep ball
 
#32
#32
take the shots after a good running play on first down,so it won't be a 3rd and long play,of course the Ds might think that too :)
 
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#33
North was hit in the hands with 1 in the Georgia game and dropped it when he was wide open and green pastures all around. Gotta catch the ball..
 
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Justin Worley is not a Quarteback he is most effective when he takes the role of "Game Manager" Simply distributing the ball to our playmakers via so called "Read" option or short slant and screen plays. Worley's worst moments this year have came when he was trying to be a quarterback. Reading preplay defenses, reading coverages, going through his progression are not things in his arsenal. The coaches have so little faith in his throwing abilities it seems like we call a wr reverse once per series just to get the ball in a wr's hands.
I say we put in Dobbs. Although he is an inexperienced freshman. But he has mobility making defenses guard all 11 players on the field. Also we would be preparing him for next year. Should have through him in the fire game one IMO.. Go Big Orange🍊🏈🍊
 
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i don't know touch44,Worley is making strides this year and i still consider him a freshmen,due to his playing time and the system changes.I do think he isn't the read option QB that is needed in CBJs offense,but he has a good arm and is starting to read defenses and why Dobbs over Ferg ? unless you have been seeing practices ,why would you say that ?
 
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touch44 said:
Justin Worley is not a Quarteback he is most effective when he takes the role of "Game Manager" Simply distributing the ball to our playmakers via so called "Read" option or short slant and screen plays. Worley's worst moments this year have came when he was trying to be a quarterback. Reading preplay defenses, reading coverages, going through his progression are not things in his arsenal. The coaches have so little faith in his throwing abilities it seems like we call a wr reverse once per series just to get the ball in a wr's hands.
I say we put in Dobbs. Although he is an inexperienced freshman. But he has mobility making defenses guard all 11 players on the field. Also we would be preparing him for next year. Should have through him in the fire game one IMO.. Go Big Orange🍊🏈🍊
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Well apparently Jones knows a little more about our QBs than you do. Worley has a lot of talent. You don't put up his kind of stats and win the National Gatorade Player of the Year without talent. He has made some big throws this year that have been dropped. Game manager you say? Funny that's what AJ MCcarron calls himself. Your analogy of Worley is flawed. He is a freshman QB who just played a good game against the sixth ranked team in the country.
 
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I have no Coaching Experience. And in no way trying to undermind our coaching staff.. I'm just giving my very own vol fan bias opinion.. I'm 100% behind Worley but everyone knows the most popular player on a struggling team is the #2 Quarteback..
 
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i do know what you mean touch44,I have had the same thoughts,thinking DAMN can't somebody do better :)
 
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big harry said:
Have you seen Worley's long ball? Yeah, me neither.
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I have. During the Florida game, then again during the Georgia games, and I think at least once during the Oregon game. He's not a noodle armed as so many of you Worley haters claim.

The primary issue as the coach has stated at least twice is the WRs. They don't run their rights properly and aren't where they're supposed be when they're supposed to be. That seems to be improving lately but except for Pig and Smith, they aren't consistent route runners. You throw a ball where a receiver is supposed to be but isn't you're asking for lots of pick 6's.

The one gripe I'd have with Worley would be that too often he seems to try to thread the ball into tight spaces. That's OK if you really have the talent to do it a la Peyton, Brady, and yes, Bray. Many times I see that if he threw a bit high, the big WRs should win the jump ball. But then again, when he did throw high it was way out of reach of the WRs. So what's left is for WRs to make the cuts and be where when they're supposed to be.

I do think that securing the ball is drilled so hard into his head that it explains the pre-Kiffin-Crompton bounce passes. He didn't do this when playing pre-Butch. But then again, neither you nor I am UT's coach, water boy, media guy, or anything else. So don't know a darn thing about anything related to the team until it becomes public. My belief is we're getting closer to seeing why JW was Gatorade player of the year. Just be patient, he's coming.
 
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your right on the receivers not running the right routes,not being where there suppose to be and he does try to thread the ball,way to often into coverage,I think his mechanics has to do with a lot of it,but Worley seems to be learning and god help him and the running backs on the read option,to me they should get up under center and run the ball,instead of the fake option,which he runs once or twice a game,Freak should have that as a tie breaker,in an upcoming game :)
 
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I want Worley and the WRs to get down the short and intermediate passing game before we start cavalierly taking shots downfield.

We need to make sure our offense stays on the field and our defense doesn't get left out to dry.
 
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volswillrise12 said:
You have to remember Worley has an arm suited for a dink and dunk pro style type of offense.
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Not true.

He has demonstrated a stronger than average arm when he sets his feet properly and steps into the ball. Not a Bray rocket, but every bit as strong as Manning had while at UT.
 
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One step (brick) at a time...guarantee you as his short and intermediate game gets better, downfield shots will arrive accordingly. The dynamics has to come together first.
 
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touch44 said:
Justin Worley is not a Quarteback he is most effective when he takes the role of "Game Manager" Simply distributing the ball to our playmakers via so called "Read" option or short slant and screen plays.
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Go back and listen to what CBJ has said about his expectations from the QB position; ball security, minimize mistakes, distribute ball to playmakers.

You bash Worley for doing the things his coach asks of him.

Appears you don't like CBJ more than you don't like Worley.
 
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big harry said:
Have you seen Worley's long ball? Yeah, me neither.
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Worley has plenty of arm strength... Just drop it already. JW has the talent to be a very good QB in the SEC. If he continues to improve at his current rate then he's going to be a threat very soon this season against ANY D.

He has had to develop and still has to improve. His development has been held back by the WR's and their own lack of experience.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
One thing I've noticed about this offense....like it or love it...is that we are simply not even attempting to take shots deep. You can make excuses such as lack of experience....yada, yada, yada...but we do have lots of size to throw at teams and even when covered decently, the percentages are in our favor that the bigger WR will out-jump/out-muscle the smallish db's or have a PI called against them (that db). The chances of it being intercepted (if the ball is thrown well) is much lower when you have a size mismatch like we have.

I hope Coach Bajakian starts to change this trend, and exploits the size we have at WR. We are going to NEED to take our shots downrange, if for no other reason than to make defenses respect the deep pass and keep their safeties high. This will help our running game as much as anything else we could do, schematically.

Defenses have crowded the LOS to stop the run and played our WR's in man coverage. They are begging us to burn their arses deep. To this point, we really haven't even tried. Against Bama, we are going to need some big plays deep, to even have half a chance....and get their safeties away from the LOS.
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Until your receivers show they can step up and play with consistency, deep balls are just too low percentage to use.

I think this will change as the season moves along and Worley develops more of a rhythm with his WRs. Saturday was the first time that I saw the QB and the receivers on anything near the same page.
 
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Coach Jones offense isn't the type to throw deep. Another poster had a link to the differences between Jones and Kelly. Kelly's offense loves the deep ball..according to the analysis.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Lets just make the op coach since he knows what we should be doing...
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Good grief. Do we have to keep suffering such nonsense? Welcome to the internet, Rain Man. Fans share their opinions here. Nobody said this is the coaches meeting room. If it was, then what the hell are you here for?
 
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GhostHound said:
Until your receivers show they can step up and play with consistency, deep balls are just too low percentage to use.

I think this will change as the season moves along and Worley develops more of a rhythm with his WRs. Saturday was the first time that I saw the QB and the receivers on anything near the same page.
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I'm not implying that we try and make a living off the deep ball, ala Steve Spurrier/UF Fun N Gun style...just take a handful of shots per game, to keep defenses honest, and also to take full advantage of our size at WR.

As far as percentages go, I think they go up if we take advantage of defenses crowding the LOS. You got 3 6'4" - 6'5" WR's one on one with 5'9"ish DB's, and that's a bigger mistmatch when they are isolated deep down field or in a jumpball situation in the endzone. It's like asking a point guard to get the tip on a jump ball against a Power Forward. You know who is going to win that battle.

That's why we recruit players with that size. All I'm hoping for is that we use that advantage to the fullest. I think some of it is more the coaches being afraid to use young receivers in that capacity. In the first half of the UGA game, it looked like the staff was coaching scared. But at some point in the game, he let it ride and started taking risks in order to seize the game. Had he not, we would have never gotten close.

Again, when smallish db's have to defend a big WR, they are more prone to commit PI and holding....so, even if the pass isn't caught, there's a good chance of getting a yellow flag on the DB.
 
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