We have to start taking shots deep

[YorkVol]

As long as Helm sticks for the 2014 class, you will see a whole new offense come next year. CBJ and Mike B. love running a slot TE system, but the TE must be a jack of all trades while also having the ability to run through the slot. This fits Helm unbelievably. Wolf will also be key as he will be used as a blocker/FB/TE. People got a glimpse of what CBJ and Mike B. like to do on the 4th and 1 play when AJ Branisel ran essentially a wheel route out of the TE spot in a I-form set. Very gutsy call, but also totally unorthodox and unexpected and EFFIN AWESOME!.

fify, this offense will be fun to watch when it is up and running on all cylinders.

 

[sjt18]

Coach Jones offense isn't the type to throw deep. Another poster had a link to the differences between Jones and Kelly. Kelly's offense loves the deep ball..according to the analysis.

Jones has said he wanted to throw deep more. I'm not sure if that was true or misdirection but he did say it.

 

[GrowVol]

With Worley, Lets crawl before we walk. Left foot/right foot, then reach for the deep routes.

 

[NashVOL93]

Worley has plenty of arm strength... Just drop it already. JW has the talent to be a very good QB in the SEC. If he continues to improve at his current rate then he's going to be a threat very soon this season against ANY D.

He has had to develop and still has to improve. His development has been held back by the WR's and their own lack of experience.

I've noticed you've been a big Worley fan as of late, sj. That's a gutsy call, but I like that you're leading the positivity train when so many others want to fire him. I, too, see that he has potential. I'm just curious what gives you cause to believe so strongly in him.

 

[Hamptonvolfan]

I have noticed when Worley steps into the throw his arm is pretty good. When he is indecisive he often throws flat footed with no follow through and consequently the ball has little velocity.

 

[Other_Guy]

One thing I've noticed about this offense....like it or love it...is that we are simply not even attempting to take shots deep. You can make excuses such as lack of experience....yada, yada, yada...but we do have lots of size to throw at teams and even when covered decently, the percentages are in our favor that the bigger WR will out-jump/out-muscle the smallish db's or have a PI called against them (that db). The chances of it being intercepted (if the ball is thrown well) is much lower when you have a size mismatch like we have.

I hope Coach Bajakian starts to change this trend, and exploits the size we have at WR. We are going to NEED to take our shots downrange, if for no other reason than to make defenses respect the deep pass and keep their safeties high. This will help our running game as much as anything else we could do, schematically.

Defenses have crowded the LOS to stop the run and played our WR's in man coverage. They are begging us to burn their arses deep. To this point, we really haven't even tried. Against Bama, we are going to need some big plays deep, to even have half a chance....and get their safeties away from the LOS.

They play 1 half of decent passing football and you're already complaining about no deep passes? Geez.

 

[knoxvols11]

If you don't have the offense i.e. QB and recievers the only thing the deep ball is good for is a punt on 3rd down. We don't have to have it. Look at how well Ainge and Crompton both did their last yr with out it.

 

[armchair]

How many times do you see Manning and Brady throw long? They almost never do! Why? Because they and their coaches understand that the odds of completing long passes are low, not to mention the fact that you must stand longer in the pocket and thus increase the chances of a sack. Much getter to 5 or 10 or 15 yards than 0. This is why their teams win-they throw to the slot guy, and the TE and backs; they throw generally short passes that have a much higher chance of being completed. With UT and Worley and our inexperienced receivers, throwing long is almost a sure waste of a down. Yes, throw it long once in a while when the situation is right--when you've got a lead or it's an early down and you think you have a half chance of completing it. But the short passing game is much the better.

 

[KBVol]

Have you seen Worley's long ball? Yeah, me neither.

2 nice deep balls on wheel routes that went for TDs... To Pig vs Fla, to Josh Smith vs So Ala. Nice fairly deep pass to Croom vs WKU that would've gone for a TD had he caught it.

I think as he gets more comfortable which leads to quicker decision making in the pocket that we'll see a few nice deep balls. IMHO timing has been the main issue.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Worley is a good QB which is a game mgr. That's what the position entails. He's the #1 on-field extension of the gameplan the HC wants. That was the problem the last few yrs as Bray would go rogue, and was just an athlete taking the snaps. He had "swag" though and that's what hurt us more than anything, but everyone wanted it. Brought nothing at all when it matters, and that's in the win column. My concern right now is that we don't seem to have the #2 extension of the coaches gameplan...and defensive leader. Ala...Wilson, lathers, etc. They seem to be starting to work together pretty good though, but no one has stepped up and taken the reins imo. Not sure if their isn't one or the coaches haven't been able to develop one. Or of course he could be on the injury list. Or am I just missing it?? Who knows.

Worley is a coaches QB, and has the talent to be a solid QB to build around. Much like a McCarron type QB. Probably a big reason why dooley brought him in. Just takes time and experience in a new system, and the development of the star tools around him. If he still had the dooley/chaney system in place, and bray would have left, imo we would have seen a more developed worley. The OL would be more consistent as well under Pittman as they have way to many changes while at UT.

Not sure if CBJ is the guy as this past game UGA had to many players out to say it was a fair assessment, but I did like the way he went for it on those 4th downs. Problem around here though is if he we wouldn't have gotten 1 or 2 of them CBJ and Worley would have been bashed for losing so bad. Then CBJ would have perhaps had felt the pressure again to take him out and burn a red-shirt and we start all over again.

All imo of course...GBO!!
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[KBVol]

Worley is a good QB which is a game mgr. That's what the position entails. He's the #1 on-field extension of the gameplan the HC wants. That was the problem the last few yrs as Bray would go rogue, and was just an athlete taking the snaps. He had "swag" though and that's what hurt us more than anything, but everyone wanted it. Brought nothing at all when it matters, and that's in the win column. My concern right now is that we don't seem to have the #2 extension of the coaches gameplan...and defensive leader. Ala...Wilson, lathers, etc. They seem to be starting to work together pretty good though, but no one has stepped up and taken the reins imo. Not sure if their isn't one or the coaches haven't been able to develop one. Or of course he could be on the injury list. Or am I just missing it?? Who knows.

Worley is a coaches QB, and has the talent to be a solid QB to build around. Much like a McCarron type QB. Probably a big reason why dooley brought him in. Just takes time and experience in a new system, and the development of the star tools around him. If he still had the dooley/chaney system in place, and bray would have left, imo we would have seen a more developed worley. The OL would be more consistent as well under Pittman as they have way to many changes while at UT.

Not sure if CBJ is the guy as this past game UGA had to many players out to say it was a fair assessment, but I did like the way he went for it on those 4th downs. Problem around here though is if he we wouldn't have gotten 1 or 2 of them CBJ and Worley would have been bashed for losing so bad. Then CBJ would have perhaps had felt the pressure again to take him out and burn a red-shirt and we start all over again.

All imo of course...GBO!!
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So you're not sure if Butch is the guy, but you're still 100% Dooley was.... not flaming, you don't have to hurl the personal insults as usual, just summing up...

 

[Orangedogsrule]

So, what's deep? As far as Justin can throw? Probably not a good idea. It's good OC game planning with a QB whose skill set isn't like say Tyler Bray's to not go long very often. Yes, sprinkle in sometime each quarter on 1st down or 2nd and short, even on 3rd near mid-field if they expect a dive play and they could give up big yardage if they've loaded the box and pulled up tight. Make it ...great. Miss it ... and a good punt switches field position. For an OC to call a 'long bomb' takes confidence in the O-line's ability to protect the QB, the receiver's route running, and hopefully the QB to place it so if the receiver don't get it no one will. Might or might not connect, may waste a down, but yes, then the opponent's DC has to honor the deep shot possibility by keeping their backfield in a position to defend it if/when thrown. Throwing too many dinks and dunks just let's them jam the short game. Spread 'em out when required and maybe even score on a long bomb once in a while.

And ya know ... seems to me to be pretty much what they're doing within Justin's capabilities right now.

 

[sjt18]

I've noticed you've been a big Worley fan as of late, sj. That's a gutsy call, but I like that you're leading the positivity train when so many others want to fire him. I, too, see that he has potential. I'm just curious what gives you cause to believe so strongly in him.

His improvement... and the truth.

I am not sure he ever gets there but his progress has been tremendous. It is now a matter of what's inside his head plus hard work. Now he's getting help from the receivers that they were not able to give 5 weeks ago. They are starting to get in sync.

I believe I told some of the "experts" here that some accuracy "problems" were caused by receivers not doing the right thing and by a lack of trust between the receivers and QB. The throw to North was a great play by both him and Worley... but that play doesn't happen without tremendous trust between the two of them. North believed Worley would get him the ball so he was in position. Worley believed he would catch it so he threw it to him instead of elsewhere. Many people here are missing the significance of that play and others like it. The throw(s) to Croom of late demonstrate the same thing. Even the throws to Pig have that element.

Worley's high game in the first 3 was 142 vs WKU. He took few risks with few big rewards. In the last three games since he began to take more chances and show more faith in his receivers... his low game was 149... in a HALF vs UF who averages giving up 152 per GAME. The best total yd against them passing was Arkansas (164) on 43 attempts. He made big mistakes in that game... and vs USA... but cleaned them up completely vs UGA. He had his best game vs UGA which is the 2nd most talented D he's faced.


But the TRUTH is that MANY here underestimate his skill set. He's faster and a better runner than they want to believe... and has shown it. He's looked good on his few runs and more importantly has been effective. He may not have Bray's arm.... but who does? Bray probably had the strongest arm at UT of any QB since Shuler.

Worley has been clocked throwing at 51 mph LAST year. The expected range for NFL QB's is 50-60 mph. IOW's, those questioning his arm strength... have no basis whatsoever.

He's proven he can throw short, medium, and LONG accurately... yet some of these guys are willfully blind to it.

Bottom line: If Worley fails, it will not be because he lacks the physical talent to do the job.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Go Deep with these guys out there!

 

[UTProf]

His improvement... and the truth.

I am not sure he ever gets there but his progress has been tremendous. It is now a matter of what's inside his head plus hard work. Now he's getting help from the receivers that they were not able to give 5 weeks ago. They are starting to get in sync.

I believe I told some of the "experts" here that some accuracy "problems" were caused by receivers not doing the right thing and by a lack of trust between the receivers and QB. The throw to North was a great play by both him and Worley... but that play doesn't happen without tremendous trust between the two of them. North believed Worley would get him the ball so he was in position. Worley believed he would catch it so he threw it to him instead of elsewhere. Many people here are missing the significance of that play and others like it. The throw(s) to Croom of late demonstrate the same thing. Even the throws to Pig have that element.

Worley's high game in the first 3 was 142 vs WKU. He took few risks with few big rewards. In the last three games since he began to take more chances and show more faith in his receivers... his low game was 149... in a HALF vs UF who averages giving up 152 per GAME. The best total yd against them passing was Arkansas (164) on 43 attempts. He made big mistakes in that game... and vs USA... but cleaned them up completely vs UGA. He had his best game vs UGA which is the 2nd most talented D he's faced.


But the TRUTH is that MANY here underestimate his skill set. He's faster and a better runner than they want to believe... and has shown it. He's looked good on his few runs and more importantly has been effective. He may not have Bray's arm.... but who does? Bray probably had the strongest arm at UT of any QB since Shuler.

Worley has been clocked throwing at 51 mph LAST year. The expected range for NFL QB's is 50-60 mph. IOW's, those questioning his arm strength... have no basis whatsoever.

He's proven he can throw short, medium, and LONG accurately... yet some of these guys are willfully blind to it.

Bottom line: If Worley fails, it will not be because he lacks the physical talent to do the job.

Pretty much this.^^

Worley also showed plenty of firepower subbing for Bray -- the problems were drops and some bad throws which are to be expected given the circumstances but the arm strength has always been there.

 

[sjt18]

Oh, and lastly, it takes more than arm strength to be successful throwing the long ball. IF either of the Fr really have a clear arm strength advantage over Worley (which I'd have to see proof of) then that's still only a fraction of making deep passes work.