We revisit the realignment discussion:

#26
#26
Texas would probably go independent or join the PAC 12. If they went to the PAC I think ou would follow them.
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#27
#27
GoBigOrangeVols said:
don't want anything to do with the cowpokes. The Sooners would be an okay choice if Tejas didn't want to come, but I'd rather get aTm, Tejas, FSU, Miami/Va Tech/Clemson/Ga Tech/UNC than any of the Oklahoma schools... just can't imagine any SEC folks wanting to make those drives.
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This. And I wouldn't want Okie St either. I think having aTm and one of the following ACC schools would be great.
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#28
#28
i really wouldnt want TAMU to join the conference.

I would prefer 2 ACC schools Ga Tech (again), Clemson, FSU, NC

- let me add i dont want to see the SEC change at all.
 
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#30
865dude said:
Texas would probably go independent or join the PAC 12. If they went to the PAC I think ou would follow them.
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The common consensus/thought is that the whole reason for this "longhorns sports network" is a first step to serve towards (if as successful as they think it can be) eventually becoming independent
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#31
#31
As one poster above said, Mizzou wouldn't be a bad addition. Geographically, it doesn't make sense ,but when you have open markets like Kansas City and St. Louis, it's enticing. My first choice would be A&M. Their traditions would fit very well in the SEC. Having two top 10 markets in Houston and Dallas wouldn't hurt either.
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#32
#32
I'd love it if A&M came. For TV market ($) purposes, I'd rather have Missouri than Oklahoma. But I'd much rather play Oklahoma every year. Their fans are great.

I would rather the conference disband than add Texas. Heck, adding Texas and the conference disbanding seems a little synonymous nowadays.
 
#33
#33
We all knew this was Beebe plugging a crack in the dam with a piece of chewing gum. You can't have the revenue distribution be that unequal in a conference and expect it to survive; Nebraska and Colorado defecting is just the tip.

While the Texas legislature will likely ensure that TTU, TU and TAMU (and perhaps Baylor) continue to play eachother annually, I don't think that necessitates them staying in the same conference. I would be shocked if the BXII isn't dissolved or massively restructured within the next five years.
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#34
#34
gordonr24 said:
As one poster above said, Mizzou wouldn't be a bad addition. Geographically, it doesn't make sense ,but when you have open markets like Kansas City and St. Louis, it's enticing. My first choice would be A&M. Their traditions would fit very well in the SEC. Having two top 10 markets in Houston and Dallas wouldn't hurt either.
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Columbia is not that much further north than Lexington...

And even without Oklahoma, Missouri already shares a pretty big border with Arkansas

(Just saying that the geography is more of a fit than it appears at first glance)

Since we are talking about it, here is what the SEC should do.

First - Add aTm
Next - Add OU & Mizzou & Va Tech (equaling 16)
Then - kick out Vandy and Mississippi St (they contribute nothing) and bring in Duke and UNC
Finally - put everyone in groups of 4 with each group getting a new "dancing partner" each year.

We would have a strong hold on every major market from KC to DC and Dallas to Miami. We would be undoubtedly the best conference for Football, Mens + Woman's Bball, and Baseball/softball. Furthermore we would immediately upgrade our academic reputation (even with losing Vandy).
 
#35
#35
the days of only considering geographic fits are over. we'd add notre dame in a heartbeat if they wanted to join the sec.
 
#38
#38
Lets say aTm joins the SEC and Texas goes independent. Then we could nag Mizzou. That would defunct the Big 12. At that point, what do you guys think Oklahoma would do? Join the PAC 12? Serious question.
 
#39
#39
TrueOrange said:
I still don't understand how NYC became a main market for notre dame
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Same reason they're a big TV draw in parts of Europe.....LOTS of Catholics.
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#40
#40
orangepridenation said:
Lets say aTm joins the SEC and Texas goes independent. Then we could nag Mizzou. That would defunct the Big 12. At that point, what do you guys think Oklahoma would do? Join the PAC 12? Serious question.
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I could see Oklahoma going either way...either Pac 12 or to the Big 10.
 
#41
#41
M-I-Z-V-O-L said:
Columbia is not that much further north than Lexington...

And even without Oklahoma, Missouri already shares a pretty big border with Arkansas

(Just saying that the geography is more of a fit than it appears at first glance)

Since we are talking about it, here is what the SEC should do.

First - Add aTm
Next - Add OU & Mizzou & Va Tech (equaling 16)
Then - kick out Vandy and Mississippi St (they contribute nothing) and bring in Duke and UNC
Finally - put everyone in groups of 4 with each group getting a new "dancing partner" each year.

We would have a strong hold on every major market from KC to DC and Dallas to Miami. We would be undoubtedly the best conference for Football, Mens + Woman's Bball, and Baseball/softball. Furthermore we would immediately upgrade our academic reputation (even with losing Vandy).
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First off the SEC will never boot out Vandy...they are an original founding member, and when has a conference ever asked a team to leave said conference...Vandy brings a lot more to the table than what most realize at first glance...besides you are proposing replacing tham wiht Duke???...yeah it's a bit of an upgrade in teh Men's BBall dept, but equal if not less in teh Football department...JMO, If the Vandy job were open when Cutcliffe went to Duke, he would have chosen teh Vandy job.
 
#42
#42
IndianaVol said:
First off the SEC will never boot out Vandy...they are an original founding member, and when has a conference ever asked a team to leave said conference...Vandy brings a lot more to the table than what most realize at first glance...besides you are proposing replacing tham wiht Duke???...yeah it's a bit of an upgrade in teh Men's BBall dept, but equal if not less in teh Football department...JMO, If the Vandy job were open when Cutcliffe went to Duke, he would have chosen teh Vandy job.
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What does Vandy bring to the table other than academics and the city of Nashville?

Who cares if they are a founding member. Missouri was a founding member of the original Big 6 (which later became the Big 8 and then the Big 12) and look how much that has gotten them.

Duke obviously sucks at Football, (and is no better a job than the Vandy job) but they are a blueblood in basketball. Having UK,UNC,& Duke in the same conference would be incredible from a Bball perspective.

Plus, Duke brings a national audience. No one other than SEC/Vandy alumns care about Vandy Bball games.

Plus Duke & UNC (obviously a package deal) >>>> Vandy & Miss. St. in ALL categories.

Plus Duke/UNC/VaTech would bring in the DC, Charlotte, and Raleigh markets. What markets do Vandy and Miss. St. bring?

I'm not saying this will happen. Yes, a conference kicking members out is nearly unthinkable. But that's why my post said it was what the SEC "should" do.

We could literally name our own price for media contracts. The expansion would be symmetrical to what the SEC is now and still stay true to its "southern heritage" as each represented state was a confederate state during the civil war.
 
#43
#43
There would be no point to bring in both Duke and UNC. There share all of the same markets. But you won't get one without the other. The problem is, the markets they bring are only worth splitting the pie one more way, not two.

Vandy obviously does not bring the Nashville market alone. Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, and arguably several other SEC schools all have more fans in the Nashville area than Vandy doess. But they are smack dab in the middle of a pivotal SEC media market. Vandy's presence in the league strengthens the SEC's connections to the Music City Bowl, and the Bridgestone Arena, where many of the b-ball tourneys are played. Vandy is a better overall commodity than Duke.
 
#44
#44
bamawriter said:
There would be no point to bring in both Duke and UNC. There share all of the same markets. But you won't get one without the other. The problem is, the markets they bring are only worth splitting the pie one more way, not two.

Vandy obviously does not bring the Nashville market alone. Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, and arguably several other SEC schools all have more fans in the Nashville area than Vandy doess. But they are smack dab in the middle of a pivotal SEC media market. Vandy's presence in the league strengthens the SEC's connections to the Music City Bowl, and the Bridgestone Arena, where many of the b-ball tourneys are played. Vandy is a better overall commodity than Duke.
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Not a big feat when they only have 12 fans
 
#45
#45
bamawriter said:
There would be no point to bring in both Duke and UNC. There share all of the same markets. But you won't get one without the other. The problem is, the markets they bring are only worth splitting the pie one more way, not two.

Vandy obviously does not bring the Nashville market alone. Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, and arguably several other SEC schools all have more fans in the Nashville area than Vandy doess. But they are smack dab in the middle of a pivotal SEC media market. Vandy's presence in the league strengthens the SEC's connections to the Music City Bowl, and the Bridgestone Arena, where many of the b-ball tourneys are played. Vandy is a better overall commodity than Duke.
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I definitely agree that Vandy > Duke for football.
But my point is that Duke & UNC > Vandy & Miss. St.

Really none of those four teams would/do hold their weight in the SEC in terms of football. But the thing is that getting them for Bball as well as the DC/NC markets would more than make up for any deficiencies they have in football. Not to mention the academic benefits...

Vandy's "connections" with the music city bowl and bridgestone arena are overblown. Nashville wouldn't be any less of an SEC town without Vandy.
 
#46
#46
Vanderbilt is either competitive or good in every sport other than football, and though many on here don't see why, that along with academic standards and the fact that they are a founding member means they'll never ever leave the sec.
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#47
#47
milohimself said:
Vanderbilt is either competitive or good in every sport other than football, and though many on here don't see why, that along with academic standards and the fact that they are a founding member means they'll never ever leave the sec.
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Nor should they ever leave or be forced out. I don't understand all the hate on here.
 
#48
#48
How about a dose of realism? No one is leaving the SEC. No one should or be asked to leave. The addition of teams is possible.

Every team should leave the big 12. The unequal revenue sharing and general preferential treatment Texas receives should encourage every other team to leave that can find another conference. Not many teams can pull off the indy status, so they need a conference most of the time.
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#50
#50
I could see the sec adding teams, but I dont think they would drop anyone.
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