Well this late season run has been great but

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OP is spot on besides the last part. He won't be fired unless were like 2-12 or something ridiculous like that. Love Zo and my Vols but I don't see an NCAA tournament bid this season. McRae can't be Michael Jordan in every game and we are too inconsistent. I don't understand why people say win 2 in the SECT and were in. This is unrealistic and only helps us win a number of games. The way the SEC is this season and with the way the bye games are set up, we'd pretty much need an incredible run to beat enough higher rpi teams to get off the bubble. I don't see that unless we go to the championship. We need help from other bubble teams now and need some tanking to go down in conference tournaments. Not hating or being negative just my opinion and i really hope we go dancing.
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JuddsKidding said:
I'm not sure that's exactly true, sir... I would point towards attendance numbers to show you Pearl left our program better off as just a beginning, and two five stars in two years... Don't feel any need to go on.

Let the season play out. The program is in good shape, and will be in better shape next year.
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Whoa, you're right. That plus facility upgrades. I was talking about strictly basketball team-wise.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Progression would have been Pearl leaving the program in a better state than he found it. In the end, it was pretty much the same as when he first got here as far as the product on the floor goes
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Leaving CCM four star players and a chance at a 5 star was much better than Pearl had - (two of those 4 stars were top 100 players)!

How long had it been since the Vols went to the dance before??? Oh and Pearl took them too 6 straight AA tourneys!

As a HC in D-1 basketball, Pearl went to the AA tourney 8 out of 10 years - 80% isn't bad. CCM is a whopping 0 for 5 and looking at 0 and 6!

You are a fool to think that the BBall program was in better shape when Pearl took over than when he left!!!
 
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I said about the same. Pearl left us 2 decent players that he personally had no success with. Yeah, about the same.
 
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It really doesn't matter because Pearl was fired for being irresponsible and unethical, and he will never represent the university again.

All I have to say is GO VOLS!
 
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patrick said:
Leaving CCM four star players and a chance at a 5 star was much better than Pearl had - (two of those 4 stars were top 100 players)!

How long had it been since the Vols went to the dance before??? Oh and Pearl took them too 6 straight AA tourneys!

As a HC in D-1 basketball, Pearl went to the AA tourney 8 out of 10 years - 80% isn't bad. CCM is a whopping 0 for 5 and looking at 0 and 6!

You are a fool to think that the BBall program was in better shape when Pearl took over than when he left!!!
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You honestly believe that Kenny hall is a 4 star caliber player?
 
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So if the programs were in relatively the same position for both Pearl and CCM when each took over - then Pearl has done miles better than CCM.

When Pearl gets another HC gig in a couple years - he will turn that program around also.
 
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patrick said:
So if the programs were in relatively the same position for both Pearl and CCM when each took over - then Pearl has done miles better than CCM.

When Pearl gets another HC gig in a couple years - he will turn that program around also.
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Agreed. He'll show the MEAC something they've never seen before.
 
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CAVol said:
You honestly believe that Kenny hall is a 4 star caliber player?
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Based upon that comment, I guess you supposedly knew all along that Peterson had put together so much talent that Pearl had no choice to but to win with the group he inherited!

I think I may go back and pull up some articles on how great of a situation that Pearl walked into talent wise. I wish we could back and pull up some of those old posts about how good that squad was when Pearl took over.
 
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patrick said:
Based upon that comment, I guess you supposedly knew all along that Peterson had put together so much talent that Pearl had no choice to but to win with the group he inherited!

I think I may go back and pull up some articles on how great of a situation that Pearl walked into talent wise. I wish we could back and pull up some of those old posts about how good that squad was when Pearl took over.
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That's not even what I'm arguing. All I'm asking is do you honestly believe that woolridge or Hall were 4 star caliber players? Personally, I don't.

It's not just the stars that measure talent.
 
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i know losing sucks whenever it happens, but i think it would help to think of things a little differently.

you traded a win over florida for a loss to georgia and that was a good trade. you'd rather have had that happen than beating georgia and losing to florida.
 
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I don't like our chances, but fight to the finish and see what happens! In McRae I trust!
 
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I heard this morning that we are the last team in right now due to alabama, kentucky, and ole miss loss. It is funny to see people calling for martin's head when as of now, Lunardi has us going to the tournament.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
I heard this morning that we are the last team in right now due to alabama, kentucky, and ole miss loss. It is funny to see people calling for martin's head when as of now, Lunardi has us going to the tournament.
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To be fair, we got a lot of help (as you said). The funny thing is that even if those losses hadn't happened, we still had a decent chance to get an at large bid without winning the tourney.
 
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Everyone wants to talk about how Hopson and Tobias left taking a lot of the Vols scoring with them (cpl with Williams graduation).

However no one seems to remember who had graduated from Tennessee when Pearl took over - Scooter Mc***don (14.3 pts per game) and Brandon Crump (11.3 pts per game). And we can't forget the fact that Jemere Hendrix was kicked off the team after Pearl took over. These players accounted for 35% of the teams offensive fire power.

Now the media picked Pearl's first team to finish 5th in the SEC East however they finished 1st. Following the season, Pearl drew accolades from national recruiting services for signing one of the nation's best recruiting classes, featuring three top-50 recruits in Duke Crews, Wayne Chism and Ramar Smith.

Thought I would throw in an article from the Tennessean (April 24, 2005) regarding the state of the Tennessee Volunteer basketball program when Pearl took over - I'm sure you will like it....

"In the three weeks since he was hired to fix the Tennessee basketball program, Bruce Pearl has gotten a crash course in the reasons the program is in trouble. Tyler Smith, who had signed with the previous Tennessee coaching regime, decided prep school was better than playing for Pearl. Jamont Gordon, long considered a sure thing for the Vols, signed with Mississippi State. Junior Brandan Wright of Nashville, one of the top players in the nation in his class, has given Tennessee little more than the time of day. Antanas Kavaliauskas, a 6-foot-10-inch Lithuanian by way of Barton (Kan.) Community College, visited Knoxville last weekend but chose Texas A&M. Other than that, Coach Pearl, how's it going?"

Doesn't seem like Pearl had much going for him when he took over......
 
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patrick said:
Based upon that comment, I guess you supposedly knew all along that Peterson had put together so much talent that Pearl had no choice to but to win with the group he inherited!

I think I may go back and pull up some articles on how great of a situation that Pearl walked into talent wise. I wish we could back and pull up some of those old posts about how good that squad was when Pearl took over.
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We've been over and over this issue.
Pearl received a core of 3 or 4 experienced players.
Martin got one.
Talent as far as stars was pretty close or even in Martin's favor.
 
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Patrick why does everything have to turn into a pearl vs Martin 50 page argument in every thread?

We all know what pearl did for this program good and bad, some like him more than others, but he's gone no reason he has to become the subject of every thread.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Patrick why does everything have to turn into a pearl vs Martin 50 page argument in every thread?

We all know what pearl did for this program good and bad, some like him more than others, but he's gone no reason he has to become the subject of every thread.
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Maybe because he set a higher standard than what we are seeing. And for the record I think CCM will be fine but people like Patrick who point out he has done nothing to inspire great confidence get blasted for not declaring him the second coming. Same ole Dooley crowed that told people they were idiots for not drinking the Doolaid. Those calling names will act like nothing happened if CCM does not get it done.

Tourney this year he is on pace, no tourney given injuries I can excuse and understand. Next year tourney or bust. No excuses after that.
 
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LocoVol said:
Maybe because he set a higher standard than what we are seeing. And for the record I think CCM will be fine but people like Patrick who point out he has done nothing to inspire great confidence get blasted for not declaring him the second coming. Same ole Dooley crowed that told people they were idiots for not drinking the Doolaid. Those calling names will act like nothing happened if CCM does not get it done.

Tourney this year he is on pace, no tourney given injuries I can excuse and understand. Next year tourney or bust. No excuses after that.
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Because for fans to expect us to have a Bruce Pearl as a coach is not being realistic. Pearl is one of a kind for our program- literally. No one had ever gone as far as the the Elite Eight. To compare CCM to Bruce Pearl is simply not fair and no one will want the job if that happens.

I have debated the comparison of the players that both inherited many times. Pearl inherited much better guards, and that is what wins in college ball. Lofton was also a much better shooter than any player CCM inherited. Sure, CCM inherited some 4 stars, but we had no returning starters and I believe only one or two players even averaged double digit minutes. Golden, McRae, and Maymon all averaged under 10 minutes a game under Pearl.

I understand people are frustrated at losing to worse teams, but I believe he got a pass last year. They have been much better this year. With your last point, I do agree that CCM must make the tourney by the end of next year.
 
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LocoVol said:
Maybe because he set a higher standard than what we are seeing. And for the record I think CCM will be fine but people like Patrick who point out he has done nothing to inspire great confidence get blasted for not declaring him the second coming. Same ole Dooley crowed that told people they were idiots for not drinking the Doolaid. Those calling names will act like nothing happened if CCM does not get it done.

Tourney this year he is on pace, no tourney given injuries I can excuse and understand. Next year tourney or bust. No excuses after that.
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Thats fine to be skeptical ad criticize, it's mostly deserved, but not every thread needs to be turned into Pearl vs. Martin.
 
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CAVol said:
Patrick still won't answer my question.
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Ok fine... we can do this about many players on many different teams.

So has Hall played up to his 4 star billing - no he hasn't. However, every coach CBP and CCM included hope - no expect their players to meet and exceed their rankings. I would venture to say that every coach thinks that they will get the very best out of every recruit - if they dont think that then they are starting from behind. I would bet that CCM thought he could develop Kenny Hall into a good ball player!

But how about some of Pearl's other recruits - committments that CCM is/was left?? Golden, McRae, Maymon, Tatum. Perhaps Tatum was not a great player but he was more than serviceable - Golden handling point guard duties....some times great and sometimes not but he is not a true point guard (vital member of the team) - McRae and Maymon obviously play up to their collective billing - probably even better. Lastly Pearl was in the door with Stokes and he has had a pretty good year.

How many of Peterson's players lived up their billing???

And don't even try to include JJ Smith in your argument because he was a walk-on unrated player.
 
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#50
Stop with the Pearl vs. Martin debate in this thread.

Thanks guys.
 
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