We're Getting Close....

#26
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Houston Vol said:
Where does your understanding of the Rivals scoring system come from? If I apply your conversion factors above to our current class as listed on Rivals, Tennessee should currently have 1672 points. But Rivals has credited UT with 1987 points.

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I should have stated up front that my "understanding" is more of a rough estimate....because Rivals doesn't say exactly what their point system is...at least not anywhere that I have seen it...

Here's where I got my scoring....

Two days ago the only difference between us and UF was that we had a 5.5 three star and they had a 6.1 five star....the difference in overall points was 156...

So I took the total point difference and divided it by the number of decimal places from 5.5 to 6.1 (7) and that number is 22.3...which I rounded to 22....

I then gave each subsequent decimal place a value of 22 points....22 for a 5.5, 44 for a 5.6, 66 for a 5.7...and so on and so on....

After applying this "average point" logic I came up with a point total for the class I have projected that compared very well with similar classes from the past 5 recruiting rankings from Rivals...

Is it exact? Absolutely not....Is it close? I think so

If anyone can think of a more accurate estimate of the Rivals point system or has privy to their point system please let me know....I've always been interested in how they come up with these totals
 
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thunder5 said:
There's been some chatter from some trusted posters here and on TOS that think we're a serious contender for him, Nelson, and Dixon (the Texas Trio)...
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similar to the chatter from those same folks about locks/silent commits/future UT stars Luc, Elam, Willis, Scroggins, et al...

my point being, a lot of guys on here seem to either ignore or are repressing the fact that we are getting our butts kicked in recruiting by our major rivals and getting screwed by former vols (Gran, Trooper, etc.)

i am a fan of Kiff, but our supposed SUPERSQUAD of recruiters is striking out considerably more than posters here want to admit

and more importantly, all those guys that claim UT in their last 2 or 3 choices are seeming to choose the other school(s) every time

depressing.
 
#28
#28
SkeptiVol said:
similar to the chatter from those same folks about locks/silent commits/future UT stars Luc, Elam, Willis, Scroggins, et al...

my point being, a lot of guys on here seem to either ignore or are repressing the fact that we are getting our butts kicked in recruiting by our major rivals and getting screwed by former vols (Gran, Trooper, etc.)

i am a fan of Kiff, but our supposed SUPERSQUAD of recruiters is striking out considerably more than posters here want to admit

and more importantly, all those guys that claim UT in their last 2 or 3 choices are seeming to choose the other school(s) every time

depressing.
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Normally I recommend stepping away from the ledge in a situation like this... but what the hell, go ahead and jump.
 
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SkeptiVol said:
similar to the chatter from those same folks about locks/silent commits/future UT stars Luc, Elam, Willis, Scroggins, et al...

my point being, a lot of guys on here seem to either ignore or are repressing the fact that we are getting our butts kicked in recruiting by our major rivals and getting screwed by former vols (Gran, Trooper, etc.)

i am a fan of Kiff, but our supposed SUPERSQUAD of recruiters is striking out considerably more than posters here want to admit

and more importantly, all those guys that claim UT in their last 2 or 3 choices are seeming to choose the other school(s) every time

depressing.
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You are either a effin genius or a efinn dumba##. I guess we will know in a few weeks huh? What I want to know is, if the staff pull in a great class will you come on and say i am a dumba## or not.
 
#30
#30
SkeptiVol said:
similar to the chatter from those same folks about locks/silent commits/future UT stars Luc, Elam, Willis, Scroggins, et al...

my point being, a lot of guys on here seem to either ignore or are repressing the fact that we are getting our butts kicked in recruiting by our major rivals and getting screwed by former vols (Gran, Trooper, etc.)

i am a fan of Kiff, but our supposed SUPERSQUAD of recruiters is striking out considerably more than posters here want to admit

and more importantly, all those guys that claim UT in their last 2 or 3 choices are seeming to choose the other school(s) every time

depressing.
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Brotha, did you not see how this staff reeled em in near to, on the day of and after NSD last year?

Some guys will announce at the UnderArmor game on Jan 2; others have scheduled visits to us in the second week of January. Stay tuned.
 
#32
#32
orangebloodgmc said:
Brotha, did you not see how this staff reeled em in near to, on the day of and after NSD last year?
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i did. it was great.

however, how much of that was Gran? he obviously had a lot of pull on 2 of our major targets this year in Luc and Elam.

and this year, pickings are a-mighty slim with your higher ranked guys. most have eliminated UT already or were never considering UT to begin with.

who, at this point, would be a legitimate surprise commit? along the lines of a Janzen Jackson. seriously, who?
 
#33
#33
Demon_Vol said:
Normally I recommend stepping away from the ledge in a situation like this... but what the hell, go ahead and jump.
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you got it!

[...jumps...]

[...dies...]

[...is reborn...]

[...awakens...]

yep. still heading towards an underwhelming class.
 
#34
#34
thunder5 said:
I should have stated up front that my "understanding" is more of a rough estimate....because Rivals doesn't say exactly what their point system is...at least not anywhere that I have seen it...

Here's where I got my scoring....

Two days ago the only difference between us and UF was that we had a 5.5 three star and they had a 6.1 five star....the difference in overall points was 156...

So I took the total point difference and divided it by the number of decimal places from 5.5 to 6.1 (7) and that number is 22.3...which I rounded to 22....

I then gave each subsequent decimal place a value of 22 points....22 for a 5.5, 44 for a 5.6, 66 for a 5.7...and so on and so on....

After applying this "average point" logic I came up with a point total for the class I have projected that compared very well with similar classes from the past 5 recruiting rankings from Rivals...

Is it exact? Absolutely not....Is it close? I think so

If anyone can think of a more accurate estimate of the Rivals point system or has privy to their point system please let me know....I've always been interested in how they come up with these totals
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I do know one of the rules is only your highest 20 commitments/LOIs count. That is why Ole Miss was not higher last year with their 37 recruits
 
#37
#37
orangebloodgmc said:
Brotha, did you not see how this staff reeled em in near to, on the day of and after NSD last year?

Some guys will announce at the UnderArmor game on Jan 2; others have scheduled visits to us in the second week of January. Stay tuned.
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last year is not this year.

What Jimbo Fisher is doing at FSU is what Lane Kiffin did at UT last year (it is easy to give a recruit a salespitch when you haven't coached a game yet. It is also the best way to eliminate your team's W-L record)... You are fooling yourself if you think Kiffin will ever pull off the type of surge that he did last year on and after NSD... The other poster is right and you are blind if you don't see it... thus far, our supersquad staff has swung and missed considerably and it costed us an embarassing loss yesterday and forced us to sign a JUCO QB who wasn't good enough to make 2nd string at Louisville.

This post sounds more harsh than I mean for it to, but we need to be more realistic about what Kiffin will and will not do. Kiffin was able to pull off what he did last year b/c of the very fact that he hadn't coached a game yet and was new and exciting. A year into it and recruits have had an entire year to evaluate and check out Kiffin. Jimbo, on the other hand, is being rewardd with the same sort of recruiting luxury that Kiffin was last year.
 
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#39
#39
WPAINE said:
last year is not this year.

What Jimbo Fisher is doing at FSU is what Lane Kiffin did at UT last year (it is easy to give a recruit a salespitch when you haven't coached a game yet. It is also the best way to eliminate your team's W-L record)... You are fooling yourself if you think Kiffin will ever pull off the type of surge that he did last year on and after NSD... The other poster is right and you are blind if you don't see it... thus far, our supersquad staff has swung and missed considerably and it costed us an embarassing loss yesterday and forced us to sign a JUCO QB who wasn't good enough to make 2nd string at Louisville.

This post sounds more harsh than I mean for it to, but we need to be more realistic about what Kiffin will and will not do. Kiffin was able to pull off what he did last year b/c of the very fact that he hadn't coached a game yet and was new and exciting. A year into it and recruits have had an entire year to evaluate and check out Kiffin. Jimbo, on the other hand, is being rewardd with the same sort of recruiting luxury that Kiffin was last year.
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I think you're discrediting what Coach O and Thompson mean to this staff... as well as Monte. Kiffin is an excellent recruiter as well. We've still got a little time to put doubt into recruits' minds. Maybe a little bit of what Kiffin did last year was b/c of his "newness" but these guys didn't win multiple awards as National Recruiter of the Year for nothing.
 
#40
#40
WPAINE said:
last year is not this year.

What Jimbo Fisher is doing at FSU is what Lane Kiffin did at UT last year (it is easy to give a recruit a salespitch when you haven't coached a game yet. It is also the best way to eliminate your team's W-L record)... You are fooling yourself if you think Kiffin will ever pull off the type of surge that he did last year on and after NSD... The other poster is right and you are blind if you don't see it... thus far, our supersquad staff has swung and missed considerably and it costed us an embarassing loss yesterday and forced us to sign a JUCO QB who wasn't good enough to make 2nd string at Louisville.

This post sounds more harsh than I mean for it to, but we need to be more realistic about what Kiffin will and will not do. Kiffin was able to pull off what he did last year b/c of the very fact that he hadn't coached a game yet and was new and exciting. A year into it and recruits have had an entire year to evaluate and check out Kiffin. Jimbo, on the other hand, is being rewardd with the same sort of recruiting luxury that Kiffin was last year.
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this post made me lol ALOT...:lolabove:
 
#41
#41
Kiffin got the class he got because he is a great recruiter. Ed O is a great recruiter. Lance Thompson is a great recruiter.

We will be a'ight. A'ight?
 
#42
#42
WPAINE said:
last year is not this year.

What Jimbo Fisher is doing at FSU is what Lane Kiffin did at UT last year (it is easy to give a recruit a salespitch when you haven't coached a game yet. It is also the best way to eliminate your team's W-L record)... You are fooling yourself if you think Kiffin will ever pull off the type of surge that he did last year on and after NSD... The other poster is right and you are blind if you don't see it... thus far, our supersquad staff has swung and missed considerably and it costed us an embarassing loss yesterday and forced us to sign a JUCO QB who wasn't good enough to make 2nd string at Louisville.

This post sounds more harsh than I mean for it to, but we need to be more realistic about what Kiffin will and will not do. Kiffin was able to pull off what he did last year b/c of the very fact that he hadn't coached a game yet and was new and exciting. A year into it and recruits have had an entire year to evaluate and check out Kiffin. Jimbo, on the other hand, is being rewardd with the same sort of recruiting luxury that Kiffin was last year.
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You do realize we still have the higher rated class, right? I think FSU makes a strong push when they land Jones but I think we'll still have a higher rated class and have filled all our needs. Some are still content with the play it safe mentality in recruiting and taking whoever we can get early; this staff is swinging for the fences and despite all the negative publicity is hitting it out of the park. I can't wait until we lose Willis and the board goes into a full bore panic mode.
 
#43
#43
Lord Vader said:
UT has the #5 recruiting class in the country right now. Yea boy, that sucks...
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According to whom?

We are currently 6th on Rivals, behind our 2 biggest nemeses and Auburn.

We are currently 17th on Scout. We aren't even in the top 5 in the SEC, according to them.

We are 6th on ESPN, which, we all know, is inferior, and who have not updated since December 22nd. Considering the defections and our leans that have gone elsewhere, we are sure to drop in the rankings there as well.
 
#44
#44
raynochonspeed said:
According to whom?

We are currently 6th on Rivals, behind our 2 biggest nemeses and Auburn.

We are currently 17th on Scout. We aren't even in the top 5 in the SEC, according to them.

We are 6th on ESPN, which, we all know, is inferior, and who have not updated since December 22nd. Considering the defections and our leans that have gone elsewhere, we are sure to drop in the rankings there as well.
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I don't see why people are approving and disapproving of the rankings once the Letters of Intent are signed. It's obvious from last year that we can pull in good prospects with it comes down to crunch time.
 
#45
#45
lylsmorr said:
I don't see why people are approving and disapproving of the rankings once the Letters of Intent are signed. It's obvious from last year that we can pull in good prospects with it comes down to crunch time.
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I'd argue 'right now' is crunch time.

While our major rivals are improving by the day via strong commitments and energizing bowl wins, we seem to be floundering. We are losing commitments, seeing our theoretically strong leans/silent commits go elsewhere, suffering coaching losses, enduring asinine NCAA investigations, not to mention getting trounced on the scoreboard in our bowl game (regardless of how close the game would/could have been had Denarious Moore held onto either TD catch, the score, to anyone that didn't watch the game, appears as a blowout.)
 
#46
#46
raynochonspeed said:
I'd argue 'right now' is crunch time.

While our major rivals are improving by the day via strong commitments and energizing bowl wins, we seem to be floundering. We are losing commitments, seeing our theoretically strong leans/silent commits go elsewhere, suffering coaching losses, enduring asinine NCAA investigations, not to mention getting trounced on the scoreboard in our bowl game (regardless of how close the game would/could have been had Denarious Moore held onto either TD catch, the score, to anyone that didn't watch the game, appears as a blowout.)
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We have signed elite recruits with less time. I'd hardly call this "crunch time" for this staff considering in their first year they pulled 3 four and five star commitments on signing day alone.
 
#47
#47
DaddyChad said:
You do realize we still have the higher rated class, right? I think FSU makes a strong push when they land Jones but I think we'll still have a higher rated class and have filled all our needs. Some are still content with the play it safe mentality in recruiting and taking whoever we can get early; this staff is swinging for the fences and despite all the negative publicity is hitting it out of the park. I can't wait until we lose Willis and the board goes into a full bore panic mode.
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If you don't seen the comparisons between what FSU is doing now and what we did last year with Kiffin then we are just going to have to disagree. Yeah, we are still ahead of them, but FSU has picked up and/or retained multiple 4 and 5 star players despite losing their HOF coach, that's impressive... And not sure if you followed recruiting closely throughout Fulmer's career, but we have never had a "play it safe" mentality and taking whoever we can get early.... Fulmer (like Kiffin) was always known as a closer, which made NSD such an emotional roller coaster for so many!
 
#48
#48
Any new info on CB victor Hampton, its down to us and uscjr isn't it? Also what about DT quarles and brown?
 
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#49
WPAINE said:
If you don't seen the comparisons between what FSU is doing now and what we did last year with Kiffin then we are just going to have to disagree. Yeah, we are still ahead of them, but FSU has picked up and/or retained multiple 4 and 5 star players despite losing their HOF coach, that's impressive... And not sure if you followed recruiting closely throughout Fulmer's career, but we have never had a "play it safe" mentality and taking whoever we can get early.... Fulmer (like Kiffin) was always known as a closer, which made NSD such an emotional roller coaster for so many!
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The comparison is between FSU this year and UT last year is not relevant. The kids FSU is going to get (besides Elam) were considered locks/heavy leans to them back in the spring in the summer. Then FSU fell to peieces and those guys started looking around. Go back and read through the Joyner, Jones, Shaw, Christian Green articles and go back to the first pages of the Luc thread...

Meanwhile, UT actually pulled stunners. A LA kid from LSU, a FL kid from UF, a Bama lock with Myles, and the #1 player in the land who was committed to a team his brother played for. The only player that would even be somewhat comparable to what FSU is doing is Teague...
 
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WPAINE said:
If you don't seen the comparisons between what FSU is doing now and what we did last year with Kiffin then we are just going to have to disagree. Yeah, we are still ahead of them, but FSU has picked up and/or retained multiple 4 and 5 star players despite losing their HOF coach, that's impressive... And not sure if you followed recruiting closely throughout Fulmer's career, but we have never had a "play it safe" mentality and taking whoever we can get early.... Fulmer (like Kiffin) was always known as a closer, which made NSD such an emotional roller coaster for so many!
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Well I do have to correct in light of recent events we will move down in the rankings and FSU will likely move up. Still it isn't the time for panic, once the dead period is over we will do some major damage on the recruiting trail. The loss of Willis sucks but like I said he can be replaced with similar talent. The good that people refuse to see is our committed recruits have looked as good as rated if not better than their ratings.
 
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