We're Not Young...

#51
#51
Guys a lot of teams play about 15 freshmen every year but the majority are ST players with 1 or 2 starters on the regular O & D . We had 5 true Freshmen starting out 0f 11 players on Offense and in the 2 TE set a couple of time we had Helm that's 6 out of 11 where playing in HS last year. 2 true freshmen start on D TK and Barnette and a True Freshman FG kicker. The 22 freshmen players have been done before but I would like to see evidence where an SEC team started 9 true freshmen on O & D proper. Discounting the KO/punt teams.
 
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#52
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vols 30 said:
Exactly. The young excuse ended after the first game. The Vols lost because Georgia had the best player on the field, if not the entire country.
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Huh, good to know experience doesn't count for anything. Must just be a coincidence that all the best teams are loaded with upperclassmen who have been in the same systems and in the same S&C programs for multiple years.
 
#53
#53
Anybody that thinks this team is not young is delusional. We started 5 true freshmen and 1 true sophmore on offense yesterday. We started 2 true freshmen, 3 true sophomores, and 1 redshirt sophomore on defense. Add to that we have a freshman place kicker. This is by far the youngest team I can ever remember seeing Tennessee field. The Vols are paying for that youth now but it will pay dividends 10 fold in the future.
 
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Volador said:
You are missing the entire point. Our coaches have to call the right plays for the talent on the field. Peterman is not as talented as Worley, but tons of teams won yesterday and every Saturday with less talent than their opponents. And why? Because the coaches did their part and used the talent accordingly. Upsets = Better Coaching
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Way, way more "tons of teams" won yesterday and every Saturday fielding a more talented and experienced team than their opponent.
 
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I will say that there was some very questionable play calling by Coach Baj. yesterday. It's the first time that I felt he dropped the ball for us. It just seams that yesterday the read option was a waste of time. The last two drives we scored we got out of the option and just let Worley throw the ball. We should have beat UGA yesterday, but Peterman is a lost cause. If people can't see that then you need help. When Worley went down so did our chances of winning. Yes, there was some offensive play calls I didn't like, but I'm also not in the huddle and seeing what Coach Baj. is seeing. We are going to be fine going forward. My hope is that CBJ is doing everything it takes to redshirt Dobbs because he realizes he's our only hope next year unless we play a freshman. I don't think Dobbs is worse the Peterman, and I think this staff is trying to look long term here.
 
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Volador said:
You are missing the entire point. Our coaches have to call the right plays for the talent on the field. Peterman is not as talented as Worley, but tons of teams won yesterday and every Saturday with less talent than their opponents. And why? Because the coaches did their part and used the talent accordingly. Upsets = Better Coaching
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There were about 50 games played yesterday and I think Mizzou pulled the only meaningful upset, but according to you Butch should be doing that week in week out. Classic, set unrealistic expectations so that you can bash when he doesn't meet them.
 
#57
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were almost there, when this team learns to win its "katy bar" the damn door...moral victories still suck, florida gooooooooes down this weekend
 
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NochNoch said:
Huh, good to know experience doesn't count for anything. Must just be a coincidence that all the best teams are loaded with upperclassmen who have been in the same systems and in the same S&C programs for multiple years.
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Besides Oklahoma, I'm guessing those teams have a few freshman on each side that they rely on. Some even have a freshman QB.

You guys act like the Vols are starting 22 freshman. There's plenty of experience on this team.
 
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Volador said:
We are Talented, and talented enough to beat anyone in the SEC East this year. We faced a horrible Georgia team yesterday and came away with another road loss. Sorry, but this is eerily reminding me of the end of Fulmer's reign where he couldn't coach himself out of an open paper bag. Yesterday's game was ours to win, but we went in to our "let's not lose the game" vs "let's win the game" mentality.

We have the talent on the field - we just need a group of coaches to provide the leadership and direction for the team to follow.
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You have no clue.
 
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This kind of thread is why Tennessee always gets listed as one of the dumbest fanbases in college football.
 
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GAVol said:
I may get stickers made of the following.

BECAUSE WE'VE HAD 4 FRIGGIN FOOTBALL COACHES IN THE PAST 7 YEARS, 3 OF WHICH LEFT A MESS, 2 OF WHICH RECRUITED AWFULLY AND ATTRITION HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS FOR THE UPPER CLASSMEN.
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This x1000! People forget or ignore how bad the roster was when Butch got here. The 2014 class was awesome and has helped out a lot and I believe we make a bowl game, but it was never gonna put us over the top in the sense that we would compete for the SEC.
 
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vols 30 said:
Besides Oklahoma, I'm guessing those teams have a few freshman on each side that they rely on. Some even have a freshman QB.

You guys act like the Vols are starting 22 freshman. There's plenty of experience on this team.
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No, there is not.
 
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Volador said:
You are missing the entire point. Our coaches have to call the right plays for the talent on the field. Peterman is not as talented as Worley, but tons of teams won yesterday and every Saturday with less talent than their opponents. And why? Because the coaches did their part and used the talent accordingly. Upsets = Better Coaching
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The play call was correct, Peterman put that ball right in Lanes gut. He had a small hole and would have gotten another 3 yards. Our senior RB never even reacted to the ball and is just as responsible for the fumble. I'm very disappointed in Lane, doesn't run like he used to.
 
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Volador said:
You are missing the entire point. Our coaches have to call the right plays for the talent on the field. Peterman is not as talented as Worley, but tons of teams won yesterday and every Saturday with less talent than their opponents. And why? Because the coaches did their part and used the talent accordingly. Upsets = Better Coaching
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Have you seen our oline. If you've ever played qb you virtually have to be an absolute stud to move the ball with that oline. Do you even realize how good Worley has been this year? Peterman had no chance because he had no time and does not have the experience to call decent pass pro and read blitzes like Worley does. The coaches did nothing wrong. Second and 10 from the one nick saban calls a hand off. Also the play lane and peterman fumbled would of had a first down had it been executed. That is totally on the players not the coaches. A coach tries to put you in situations that succeed, an athlete is responsible for the execution.
 
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Volador said:
Nope - but it is a message sent across the bow that our talented players need some consistent play calling on both sides of the field for 60 minutes. It's a chess match and the games cannot be lost in the coaching booth. I like what CBJ has done off the field as much as I have ever respected any UT HC, but it has to translate onto the turf at some point, wouldn't everyone agree?
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IT DID TRANSLATE!! are you an idiot? the playcalling yesterday was actually pretty dang good. the playcalling is the reason we played almost dead even with a much better and much more experienced team. you do realize we were 19 point underdogs when the line came out right? its not like we lost to a scrub team, we lost to the #12 team in the country. we were predicted to win between 4-6 games by basically every analyst in the country, why? because of youth!! lack of depth!! its not like our fans arent aware of these facts, we just have too many idiots with delusions of grandeur and think we should win every damn game and refuse to look at the facts. this isnt the late 90's anymore, were not the dominant powerhouse we were, weve been kicked in the nuts big time by sh**y coaches and were tryin like hell to come back but it not an overnight process.
 
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Mark Crowder needs to work on handling the bull rush.. His technique is not working
 

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chad4930 said:
The play call was correct, Peterman put that ball right in Lanes gut. He had a small hole and would have gotten another 3 yards. Our senior RB never even reacted to the ball and is just as responsible for the fumble. I'm very disappointed in Lane, doesn't run like he used to.
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If I remember correctly, it was a read option in which Peterman is supposed to read whether to hand the ball off to Lane. I think he made the incorrect read as Lane not only didn't "take" the ball, but he also never even looked back when he realized he didn't have it. One of the two misread the play. Due to Lane"s experience, I"m guessing it was Peterman who made the poor play.
 
#73
#73
While we certainly are young, and as long as Worley stays healthy this year we have a shot at winning most of the games on the schedule (not "will" but "can"), there are couple of things that make me nervous about the future.

1) We have had 16 games watching this offensive scheme, and I do not know if we have the OC that can get the job done. Our O-Line is young this year, but we had multiple linemen get drafted last year, and the result was the same. It is even more vital not to waste plays with read-option calls with Worley (he can't keep the ball, because we can't afford to lose him!), but we keep going back to this. It is mind-boggling.

I also question our offensive staff's ability to evaluate talent if they didn't name Worley to be the starter immediately...even going back to last year.

2) Our QB situation is very unsettled. Peterman has been put into some tough situations, (and the play calling certainly didn't help him), but I don't feel confident with him being the man next year. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not encouraging.

There are many reason to feel the program is headed in the right direction, but until either the OC starts calling plays to fit the talent, or we get a run oriented QB to run the option, the future unfortunately is going to be cloudy.
 
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It is amazing to me people are not seeing the improvement from OU to UGA. We played much better this game than last and if that trend keeps up we are going to be a damn good team by the end of the year. Were there some calls by the OC I didn't like? Yes. But we are getting there. It is so obvious we are getting better I simply do not understand the thinking in this thread or the 100 others like it.
 
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