What are our main areas of need in recruiting?

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GoVols10, I agree. I think Coleman is the best option at QB. I still say Stephens has a chance, and Crompton NONE.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Vols 5150, why so negative. Many of us are not positive. But, most feel Kiffin will do a heck of a lot better at developing talent than Fulmer. Kiffin won't talk about working like heck. He will work like heck and work ALOT SMARTER.

Look at all of the former Vols in the NFL. Very few are OLs. It says a lot about a head coach that was a former OL and OL coordinator.

Is that you Phil?...LOL
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Great post.......Fulmer's biggest problem is recent years, was his LACK of recruiting quality lineman, OL in particular.......doesn't make sense......also, I think Fulmer had a reputation as being a "soft" disciplinarian, that's why all the most messed up thugs wanted to come here..........this entire program needs to be cleaned up, even if losing Boyd and Giles signals the end of the crybaby, me-first, thugs, who have a ton of stars by their name, but who undermine team chemistry, and discipline....
 
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tabrams said:
Great post.......Fulmer's biggest problem is recent years, was his LACK of recruiting quality lineman, OL in particular.......doesn't make sense......also, I think Fulmer had a reputation as being a "soft" disciplinarian, that's why all the most messed up thugs wanted to come here..........this entire program needs to be cleaned up, even if losing Boyd and Giles signals the end of the crybaby, me-first, thugs, who have a ton of stars by their name, but who undermine team chemistry, and discipline....
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Uh, how can you call Boyd a me first guy? He didn't do anything except leave whenever Kiffin told him he wouldn't fit.

Giles I can understand though, because it did seem like he started a lot of drama, but still, it's one of the biggest decisions in an 18 year old kids life. Give him a break.
 
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TAbrams, you are right! Clapping when the guys make mistakes doesn't show displinarian skills. Granted, sometimes you need to clap or be positive. But, sometimes they need a kick in the rear.

I agree on Giles. I think he fits the thug mold well. Besides, we have the No 1 APB and plenty of other RBs arlready.
 
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GoVols10, I hope Kiffin is a great OL coach. Adkins hasn't done well. If, Adkins can't recruit well. He needs to go.
 
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BBurger, I agree on Boyd. He only left due to Kiffiin's comments. He seems like a classy young man.
 
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bburger991 said:
Uh, how can you call Boyd a me first guy? He didn't do anything except leave whenever Kiffin told him he wouldn't fit.

Giles I can understand though, because it did seem like he started a lot of drama, but still, it's one of the biggest decisions in an 18 year old kids life. Give him a break.
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Sure, Giles was a problem in waiting.........but Boyd seems like he could present a problem too.....simply bc/ he's not that good, but thinks he is......

the guy's a great athlete, granted, but a below average QB in terms of overall arm........He will not be a great QB in college, unless he goes to a spread school.....But he wants to play pro=style.......

If he goes to a pro=style school, he will be a bust....He will be another Brent Schaffer, trust me, and we all know how that turned out........
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I think we need lots of DTs and DEs for depth. You want to be able to rotate those guys the entire game. It keeps them fresh.
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We're pretty deep currently on the d-line. It doesn't hurt to add some good names, but as long as the guys we expect to step up, will, we'll be pretty strong on the d-line.
 
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tabrams said:
Sure, Giles was a problem in waiting.........but Boyd seems like he could present a problem too.....simply bc/ he's not that good, but thinks he is......

the guy's a great athlete, granted, but a below average QB in terms of overall arm........He will not be a great QB in college, unless he goes to a spread school.....But he wants to play pro=style.......

If he goes to a pro=style school, he will be a bust....He will be another Brent Schaffer, trust me, and we all know how that turned out........
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Dude, have you ever seen him?
How is he not that good? Seriously, explain it. He's got to be rated highly for a reason.

And a great athlete with a below average arm? Uh...is that why he runs like a 4.7, yet is rated the 3rd most accurate passer in the class?
 
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Cincy Vol o5 said:
We're pretty deep currently on the d-line. It doesn't hurt to add some good names, but as long as the guys we expect to step up, will, we'll be pretty strong on the d-line.
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that's the whole probablem, is that those gusy r not steppin' up........we need a total of 3-4 DT's, plus 3 DE's...in my opinion......

If we get Rae Sykes as a DE, plus Marlon WAlls, then we could use one more speed rusher.....

If we get Herbert and Hollins, and Hughes, we could use one more stud in the middle.....

That way those clowns milking their scholly's better step up, or get replaced......
 
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Well said Abrams, Like Kiffin said, most SEC schools have a great front 7. If, we want to win SEC champs. We have to have the best front 7 with solid play in the secondary as well. We need depth at the DL positions to rotate and keep guys fresh.
 
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bburger991 said:
Dude, have you ever seen him?
How is he not that good? Seriously, explain it. He's got to be rated highly for a reason.

And a great athlete with a below average arm? Uh...is that why he runs like a 4.7, yet is rated the 3rd most accurate passer in the class?
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I watched his highlight reel yesterday.....You've got to remember, those rating are largely a CROCK!! Bradford was only the #12 rated QB coming out of HS.......

They are wrong, ALL the TIME!!
This is what I noticed about Boyd......great athlete, great body control, very good passer/ accurate on short passes, anyting in 20 yards is pretty good.......beyond that, he passes have no zip on them, they float.....his arm is not strong at all....he hesitates in the pocket......remember Brent Schaeffer was ranked top 5 or 10 dual-threats out of HS, and then was 5=stars out of JUCO, after he left TN.........he was no good either.....Body is not nearly as fast and elusive as Pat White, and lacks arm strength.........His best bet is to go to a run-oriented spread like Michigan, or Georgia Tech, where he can run ALOT...........

Boyd will never play in the NFL, unless he changes position.......obviously, Kiffin felt the same way.......maybe u know more than Kiffin, but I doubt it......
 
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I think Kif is good at recruiting talent. We shall see. I agree with Abrams. I don't think Boyd will do well in a pro style offense either. We shall see.
 
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tabrams said:
I watched his highlight reel yesterday.....You've got to remember, those rating are largely a CROCK!! Bradford was only the #12 rated QB coming out of HS.......

They are wrong, ALL the TIME!!
This is what I noticed about Boyd......great athlete, great body control, very good passer/ accurate on short passes, anyting in 20 yards is pretty good.......beyond that, he passes have no zip on them, they float.....his arm is not strong at all....he hesitates in the pocket......remember Brent Schaeffer was ranked top 5 or 10 dual-threats out of HS, and then was 5=stars out of JUCO, after he left TN.........he was no good either.....Body is not nearly as fast and elusive as Pat White, and lacks arm strength.........His best bet is to go to a run-oriented spread like Michigan, or Georgia Tech, where he can run ALOT...........

Boyd will never play in the NFL, unless he changes position.......obviously, Kiffin felt the same way.......maybe u know more than Kiffin, but I doubt it......
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Kiffin said he wouldn't be good in this system. He didn't say he wouldn't be good. Obviously he's good enough to get an offer from Ohio State though, so apparently he's got something.

And ok, for every rating your bring up, someone else has lived up to the hype.

You say I may know more than Kiffin though, the same could be said to you, since apparently you know more than the people who are actually paid to evaluate these players.

And I still don't understand why you think he should run so much. He's basically Andre Woodson all over again. Pass first QB who has enough athleticism to escape if need be and pick up the first down.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I think Kif is good at recruiting talent. We shall see. I agree with Abrams. I don't think Boyd will do well in a pro style offense either. We shall see.
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He has a weak arm.......great athlete.......didn't mean to say he has a personality problem like Giles.......what I meant was that if he came here and didn't fit it ala Brent Shaeffer, then he would be upset, complaining, and hurting the team in that way........

Obviously, Fulmer got to be so desperate to land big=star recruits, and in general, taht he would take anyone hightly rated, what a joke......

Kiffin won't do that, very commendable..........He's looking to develop a real program, not just a bunch of sloppy big-star lists..............how many of Fulmer's high star recruits never even made it to campus, or got thrown off the team? rediculous........

I'm sure Bruce Pearl has learned his lesson about bringing in thugs, too.....
 
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bburger991 said:
Kiffin said he wouldn't be good in this system. He didn't say he wouldn't be good. Obviously he's good enough to get an offer from Ohio State though, so apparently he's got something.

And ok, for every rating your bring up, someone else has lived up to the hype.

You say I may know more than Kiffin though, the same could be said to you, since apparently you know more than the people who are actually paid to evaluate these players.

And I still don't understand why you think he should run so much. He's basically Andre Woodson all over again. Pass first QB who has enough athleticism to escape if need be and pick up the first down.
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Tha'ts a nice post..........I'm not saying that I know more than the analysts.....just sayin' that I don't think Boyd will be good in a pro-style offense, he's not a very strong passer.......he has very little arm strength........He could excel in a spread, or option attack........otherwise, he will be a bust.....at Ohio State, he would ride the pine......ever heard of that Xavier guy, went to FSU?? ended up a total bust, Bowden tried to make him into a TE, wouldn't do it, declared for the NFL draft, and the NFL told him he had to play TE to make it.........he tried to play TE, but I think he got cut, bc/ he didn't know what he was doin', what a dummie.......

Same with Boyd......he should go play spread, but he won't make the NFL as a QB......period.......Kiffin felt the same way.........
 
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