What are your pre season thoughts regarding coach Martin...

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calban said:
Good info.
Kinda limited just looking at the box score.
Thought maybe they played Hubbs so much (29 mins)they were trying to get his motor goin before Xavier.
that explains it.

Jordy. 9 boards. Gonna be a complete player this season.
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Jordy and Jarnell are gonna be dominant, they scored at will yesterday, ready for Xavier. I'm telling you Jarnell looks like a different player, you see the highlights, turn around fadeaway, they show it around the 2:30 mark
 
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rocky200663 said:
No Hubbs will never sit so Edwards can play IMO. I don't know where I ever said that. I believe they play different positions right now. I believe Edwards is at the 4 right now and Hubbs is at the 2 or 3. I think Edwards looks like he might be earning more playing time and could possibly get in the rotation given that he is a senior and seems to have progressed. Hubbs is obviously of Star caliber and could be a great one before he leaves here.
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Well then I don't see Maymon or Stokes sitting to get Edwards minutes. Basically if you see Edwards playing at the 4 you're saying you think he's gonna beat out Davis and Moore, and I just don't see that as being the case. Martin will only play 8/9, so I Edwards is playing it means one of Moore/Davis (or both are not).

It reminds me a lot of Dwight Miller, the guy had offensive skills, but Martin just really hated his D and so Miller didn't play. I love Edwards, I was leading the Edwards bandwagon last year, but I've learned with Martin Edwards just likely isn't gonna play.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Jordy and Jarnell are gonna be dominant, they scored at will yesterday, ready for Xavier. I'm telling you Jarnell looks like a different player, you see the highlights, turn around fadeaway, they show it around the 2:30 mark
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Hope we can hold on to Jarnell one more season.
 
#30
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well then I don't see Maymon or Stokes sitting to get Edwards minutes. Basically if you see Edwards playing at the 4 you're saying you think he's gonna beat out Davis and Moore, and I just don't see that as being the case. Martin will only play 8/9, so I Edwards is playing it means one of Moore/Davis (or both are not).

It reminds me a lot of Dwight Miller, the guy had offensive skills, but Martin just really hated his D and so Miller didn't play. I love Edwards, I was leading the Edwards bandwagon last year, but I've learned with Martin Edwards just likely isn't gonna play.
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You could be right no argument there really. Just have to see how it plays out with injuries and all. I thought Edwards played really well yesterday. Good problem to have for sure.
 
#31
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calban said:
Hope we can hold on to Jarnell one more season.
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Yeah, me too, but we got to get Stokes in the NBA as a first rounder. In the era of one and done, Stokes going before he's a Senior will be better for our recruiting then waiting for his Senior year.
 
#32
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rocky200663 said:
You could be right no argument there really. Just have to see how it plays out with injuries and all. I thought Edwards played really well yesterday. Good problem to have for sure.
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No doubt, but that's why I've said barring injury or foul trouble. If Maymon and Moore were to go down then yea those guys would start seeing big minutes.
 
#33
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johnnybravo said:
Yeah, me too, but we got to get Stokes in the NBA as a first rounder. In the era of one and done, Stokes going before he's a Senior will be better for our recruiting then waiting for his Senior year.
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It's definitely a good discussion topic IMO....

What's better for the program: 1. We make a sweet 16 this year, Stokes returns and we make a sweet 16 again next year. Or 2. We make a sweet 16 this year, Stokes is a first rounder and we miss the tourney next year?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's definitely a good discussion topic IMO....

What's better for the program: 1. We make a sweet 16 this year, Stokes returns and we make a sweet 16 again next year. Or 2. We make a sweet 16 this year, Stokes is a first rounder and we miss the tourney next year?
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So, let's assume McRae goes first round this year and Stokes is projected early second again and he stays for his Senior year. Then goes 1st round the following year. Both went first round, but had to stay 4 years to get in that position. Looks worse for Stokes being top 20 and 5*. CCM competition will be telling the Looney's of the world that yeah you can go to TN and still possibly get drafted, but you will be losing money having to stay 4 years. Would be interesting to know if Looney wears orange next year if Stokes went first round last year.

If neither go 1st round, then not very good at all
 
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johnnybravo said:
So, let's assume McRae goes first round this year and Stokes is projected early second again and he stays for his Senior year. Then goes 1st round the following year. Both went first round, but had to stay 4 years to get in that position. Looks worse for Stokes being top 20 and 5*. CCM competition will be telling the Looney's of the world that yeah you can go to TN and still possibly get drafted, but you will be losing money having to stay 4 years. Would be interesting to know if Looney wears orange next year if Stokes went first round last year.

If neither go 1st round, then not very good at all
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Stokes is not coming back after this season. That is almost 90% a certainty.
 
#36
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johnnybravo said:
So, let's assume McRae goes first round this year and Stokes is projected early second again and he stays for his Senior year. Then goes 1st round the following year. Both went first round, but had to stay 4 years to get in that position. Looks worse for Stokes being top 20 and 5*. CCM competition will be telling the Looney's of the world that yeah you can go to TN and still possibly get drafted, but you will be losing money having to stay 4 years. Would be interesting to know if Looney wears orange next year if Stokes went first round last year.

If neither go 1st round, then not very good at all
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So in my scenario you think option 2 is better for the program?
 
#37
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Actually, looking at it option 1 is probably better for the program. 2 is disastrous. CCM will get flamed for "can't win with his own players" tag. 3 out of 4 years in NIT. Pearl will be at Memphis winning big and the pitchfork will be out in full force.

CCM can't miss the tourney next year, but he will have to get there without Stokes, IMO. Stokes and McRae both go first round this year and we barely make the tourney next, then that's best for the program. Helps us with the top 50 players. Otherwise, we will have a roster full of top 100+.
 
#38
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johnnybravo said:
Actually, looking at it option 1 is probably better for the program. 2 is disastrous. CCM will get flamed for "can't win with his own players" tag. 3 out of 4 years in NIT. Pearl will be at Memphis winning big and the pitchfork will be out in full force.

CCM can't miss the tourney next year, but he will have to get there without Stokes, IMO. Stokes and McRae both go first round this year and we barely make the tourney next, then that's best for the program. Helps us with the top 50 players. Otherwise, we will have a roster full of top 100+.
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I guess I view it this way....

Winning big consistently (2 consecutive years) will be better for the program than not winning big and producing NBA 1st rounders.

I think the biggest negative used against Martin in recruiting is not having been to the tourney, not that he hasn't produced any NBA players.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think the biggest negative used against Martin in recruiting is not having been to the tourney, not that he hasn't produced any NBA players.
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True. But putting guys in the league could be a bigger positive than getting to the tourney. Hopefully, after this year he'll be able to say he can do both.

How great would it be to have jordy and stokes both get drafted in 1st round next spring?
 
#40
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bleedingTNorange said:
I guess I view it this way....

Winning big consistently (2 consecutive years) will be better for the program than not winning big and producing NBA 1st rounders.

I think the biggest negative used against Martin in recruiting is not having been to the tourney, not that he hasn't produced any NBA players.
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Option 2 is a program killer for CCM, so that really isn't an option at all.

Best option is option 3. McRae and Stokes go to NBA this year and UT barely makes the tourney next year. CCM has a much better shot at getting the top 50 and ALL recruiting tags are gone. Puts UT at the next level of consistent top 25 program and brings in top 50 players.
 
#41
#41
still not sure about ccm. Needs to win this year as next year is going to be tough again. We'll see if he starts to make necessary adjustments ahead of time or at least on time rather than waiting too late in the season or too late in a game.
I hope he is successful. Just not sure about his ability to teach offense, as half court sets continue to be an issue and we can't get many open shots unless we just get down the court and play basketball, which is fine with me.
 
#42
#42
My thoughts: Do or die for martin this year. We should be pretty good. Next gears team is really really concerning though
 
#43
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Who has pro potential on this roster? McRae, Stokes and Hubbs for sure. What about AJ and Darius? They have a lot of work to put in, but they have the size. Maybe Richardson as well?
 
#45
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Stoked4Zo said:
Who has pro potential on this roster? McRae, Stokes and Hubbs for sure. What about AJ and Darius? They have a lot of work to put in, but they have the size. Maybe Richardson as well?
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Richardson will not be in the NBA, imo. Way too early to tell on the freshmen, but Thompson impresses the hell out of me. I can see him possibly getting all Freshman team this year if it's not fully filled with the KY class. All SEC by Junior year.
 
#47
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LittleCat said:
All I know is he might be in hot water if the Vols don't get to the tourney. That being said, I think he leads the Vols to at least one win, maybe even sweet 16 with the right seeding.

He's got some good young players mixed in with some vets. Definitely no excuses for not having success.

He's a good coach. I wish him the best.
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If he doesnt make the tourney - I hope Hart comes for Calipari with a ton of money.
 
#48
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BigZiti09 said:
True. But putting guys in the league could be a bigger positive than getting to the tourney. Hopefully, after this year he'll be able to say he can do both.

How great would it be to have jordy and stokes both get drafted in 1st round next spring?
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I just feel like there's plenty of coaches who have had good teams, good tourney runs consistently, but don't have a bunch of first rounders to show for it.
 
#49
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Spartacavolus said:
still not sure about ccm. Needs to win this year as next year is going to be tough again. We'll see if he starts to make necessary adjustments ahead of time or at least on time rather than waiting too late in the season or too late in a game.
I hope he is successful. Just not sure about his ability to teach offense, as half court sets continue to be an issue and we can't get many open shots unless we just get down the court and play basketball, which is fine with me.
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I found it interesting Martin said post game he intentionally didn't call a single play yesterday. Said he wanted the offense to basically try and figure it out on their own without calling a play all game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I found it interesting Martin said post game he intentionally didn't call a single play yesterday. Said he wanted the offense to basically try and figure it out on their own without calling a play all game.
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It just seems that if we get caught in a half court game it takes away from the skill set of each and every player we have, unless its posting hubbs or McRae in a mismatch or an isolation, which we don't do nearly enough. Maymon and Stokes aren't players that need to play with their backs to the basket. They need space and to see the rim/court.
 
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