What did Dooley do for three years?

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Eddie Vol Halen

Eddie Vol Halen

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It certainly wasn't coach or recruit for needs.

It's been bothering me more on Georgia week. He wasn't a organizational manager. He wasn't a player's coach. He wasn't a football coach. Everyone says we have no talent and no depth. What did he do here?

If Kiffin was an atom bomb leaving radioactive decay in his wake, the Bamboo Farmer was the process of erosion. It doesnt look like it's doing much then one day, poof, the mountain is gone.

Forget Steve Spurrier. I think Vol fans have to strongly consider Vince and Barbara as the ultimate Vol Nemeses of the modern era.

Go Vols!
 
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The thing that bothers me the most is how we haven't had good quality depth for years. I know some transfer, get kicked off the team etc. Hopefully Jones can get the good quality players in here year after year to get us back.
 
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this program has been a complete clusterbleep since Fulmer's last years. Dooley took a bad situation and made it worse. these are just some bad bad times period.
 
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showed the nation that he had no idea what he was doing with prestigious program.
 
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I'm sure Jim Chaney had this very thought during his one game as interim head coach. He won that game, by the way.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
I'm sure Jim Chaney had this very thought during his one game as interim head coach. He won that game, by the way.
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I don't think Chaney gets a free pass. You can draw plays in the dirt with Bray, CP, and JH. As Bray and Worley might testify, some QB coaching might have gone a long way with them too.

But again - Dooley for not making him coach the QBs.
 
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I really dislike the guy for many reasons. As the team was imploding, he was concerned about the color scheme in his office. He was an arrogant fraud. Just thinking of that guy in orange pants talking about how to bathe makes my blood pressure boil.
 
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Like I've said before, it was like a coaching fantasy camp for him. Rich kid, lawyer, has a mid-life crisis, decides he wants to be a big time coach like his daddy, and we just give him the keys to the program.

Why would he have thought his performance would have mattered? We gave him the job even though he had accomplished nothing. Most fans jumped on board, not after a big win, but after his very first press conference. "He's smart." "He's going to be great, just give him time." "You can't evaluate a coach until he's had 3 years." And excuses were made for him at every turn. Blow the LSU game because you can't get the right number of men on the field? "It was the ref's fault!" Lose a 26 year winning streak to one of the worst Kentucky teams ever? "Da'Rick and Tyler didn't want to win!"

And the sad thing was, once again, we showed that you pretty much have to run this program into the ground before we'll make a coaching change (and once again, you'll get a record-setting buyout for the trouble). In that sense, the joke really is on Lane Kiffin. He could have been here forever with his 7 wins a year.
 
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Who the BLEEP cares what Dooley did? It is history. It isn't pretty but if you keep looking in the rear view mirror you will hit something unless you're going backwards. Go forward. You can't climb the hill if you won't look up!
 
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He was more concerned with picking the urinal cakes for the new facility than he was in recruiting. He had no idea how to manage his time.
 
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What was Dooley to think, Hamilton and the admins were disengaged and the fans kept lapping him up....'we love yous coach'...places like this drove the bandwagon....

Just as important what did administrators and FANS do, including those on this board who blindly supported him and chastised any and all who would not only criticize but merely question.....I know in my vocation when someone new arrives first and foremost you vette that person completely, not only normal techniques but others a well...IE in the 'old days' before it became much easier with technology if I was recruiting a lead engineer or program manager I'd have people hang around places that office/plant had lunch and gather info, put people on planes if I knew people from that office/plant routinely flew and do the same, etc.... you respect them as a person and the position but they have to start earning that stuff on day one....if they don't perform they're gone...
 
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Don't think Dooley was bad as an "organizational manager." Rather, the real problem was that this was the only part of "being a CEO" that Dooley did well.

As a CEO of a private business, you have to sell people on a vision, motivate employees, manage people, organize your operations efficiently, make sure things run well, convince investors that you are building something worthwhile, prove your worth to the community, and eventually create financial returns. You also have to show people that you understand your industry well and that you are excellent at what you do. It's a tough job and being a college football coach is very similar.

Dooley was good at organization. With the exception of Sunseri, he seemed to have a reasonable understanding of coaching talent, as well. Consider that Justin Wilcox has been a pretty big success at UW, and Dooley managed to bring in Jay Graham and others.

But Dooley was a big fail on many of those other attributes. He never had a big vision. He wasn't a good game-day coach. He wasn't good at developing talent. He wasn't competent as a coach. He couldn't sell people on what he was "building." Eventually, the "investors" started to flee.

When Dooley lost Justin Wilcox, I think that was the beginning of the end. That was probably a direct result of the terrible season punctuated by one of the worst losses in program history (vs Kentucky).

Honestly, even Dooley's "poor recruiting" is more of a function of people losing confidence in him. He actually had a good track record as a recruiter elsewhere and did OK at first at UT. But once people lost confidence in him, it was over.

Butch Jones vs Dooley is like night-and-day. Jones knows how to develop talent. Jones has a long-term vision and is completely unwavering in selling it. Even if Butch went 5-7 this year, I still think he would be able to sell the future of the program. That doesn't mean that Butch will automatically succeed, but it certainly gives him much better odds.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Who the BLEEP cares what Dooley did? It is history. It isn't pretty but if you keep looking in the rear view mirror you will hit something unless you're going backwards. Go forward. You can't climb the hill if you won't look up!
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That's the thing about it the Dooley problem may be in his past but we are still very much dealing with it in our present.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I don't think Chaney gets a free pass. You can draw plays in the dirt with Bray, CP, and JH. As Bray and Worley might testify, some QB coaching might have gone a long way with them too.

But again - Dooley for not making him coach the QBs.
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Chaney is doing a solid job with 6 freshmen or sophomores in the starting lineup for the Hogs now.

He was the least of our problems under Dooley.
 
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