What did Dooley do for three years?

#27
#27
The one positive Dooley brought us was getting us through the sanctions. There were some minor positives but most of those were completely washed out by other issues. His biggest failing was losing buy in from the people around him. That started with Wilcox and worked down the line until it all imploded.
 
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#28
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Phil-A-Man Jaro said:
:horse::horse:

Let it go people. He tried his best. He just wasn't very good.
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"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. "
George Santayana

I have some concern is that we may have 'over corrected' going from a 'Governor' to a 'Gomer'...
 
#29
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Vol4life25 said:
Yeah, vs Kentucky.....

Don't feel like defending Dooley again, but he did improve the roster quite a bit.
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I honestly don't see how anyone can say this with a straight face. His defenders usually point out four or five guys to back their argument What they don't want to see is that the teams we are trying to compete are getting ten to twenty of these guys year in and year out.
 
#31
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
It certainly wasn't coach or recruit for needs.

It's been bothering me more on Georgia week. He wasn't a organizational manager. He wasn't a player's coach. He wasn't a football coach. Everyone says we have no talent and no depth. What did he do here?

If Kiffin was an atom bomb leaving radioactive decay in his wake, the Bamboo Farmer was the process of erosion. It doesnt look like it's doing much then one day, poof, the mountain is gone.

Forget Steve Spurrier. I think Vol fans have to strongly consider Vince and Barbara as the ultimate Vol Nemeses of the modern era.

Go Vols!
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coordinated expansion on football complex...

got the benches on sideline in Neyland the same size (this was accomplished Sunday morning after last years Florida game)

things like that
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Don't think Dooley was bad as an "organizational manager." Rather, the real problem was that this was the only part of "being a CEO" that Dooley did well.

As a CEO of a private business, you have to sell people on a vision, motivate employees, manage people, organize your operations efficiently, make sure things run well, convince investors that you are building something worthwhile, prove your worth to the community, and eventually create financial returns. You also have to show people that you understand your industry well and that you are excellent at what you do. It's a tough job and being a college football coach is very similar.

Dooley was good at organization. With the exception of Sunseri, he seemed to have a reasonable understanding of coaching talent, as well. Consider that Justin Wilcox has been a pretty big success at UW, and Dooley managed to bring in Jay Graham and others.

But Dooley was a big fail on many of those other attributes. He never had a big vision. He wasn't a good game-day coach. He wasn't good at developing talent. He wasn't competent as a coach. He couldn't sell people on what he was "building." Eventually, the "investors" started to flee.

When Dooley lost Justin Wilcox, I think that was the beginning of the end. That was probably a direct result of the terrible season punctuated by one of the worst losses in program history (vs Kentucky).

Honestly, even Dooley's "poor recruiting" is more of a function of people losing confidence in him. He actually had a good track record as a recruiter elsewhere and did OK at first at UT. But once people lost confidence in him, it was over.

Butch Jones vs Dooley is like night-and-day. Jones knows how to develop talent. Jones has a long-term vision and is completely unwavering in selling it. Even if Butch went 5-7 this year, I still think he would be able to sell the future of the program. That doesn't mean that Butch will automatically succeed, but it certainly gives him much better odds.
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I disagree. Dooley had no real vision. People lost confidence because of that.

He was terrible at recruiting because he didn't have the work ethic to do it....and other than Xs and Os that is the primary difference between Dooley and Butch.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Don't think Dooley was bad as an "organizational manager." Rather, the real problem was that this was the only part of "being a CEO" that Dooley did well.

As a CEO of a private business, you have to sell people on a vision, motivate employees, manage people, organize your operations efficiently, make sure things run well, convince investors that you are building something worthwhile, prove your worth to the community, and eventually create financial returns. You also have to show people that you understand your industry well and that you are excellent at what you do. It's a tough job and being a college football coach is very similar.

Dooley was good at organization. With the exception of Sunseri, he seemed to have a reasonable understanding of coaching talent, as well. Consider that Justin Wilcox has been a pretty big success at UW, and Dooley managed to bring in Jay Graham and others.

But Dooley was a big fail on many of those other attributes. He never had a big vision. He wasn't a good game-day coach. He wasn't good at developing talent. He wasn't competent as a coach. He couldn't sell people on what he was "building." Eventually, the "investors" started to flee.

When Dooley lost Justin Wilcox, I think that was the beginning of the end. That was probably a direct result of the terrible season punctuated by one of the worst losses in program history (vs Kentucky).

Honestly, even Dooley's "poor recruiting" is more of a function of people losing confidence in him. He actually had a good track record as a recruiter elsewhere and did OK at first at UT. But once people lost confidence in him, it was over.

Butch Jones vs Dooley is like night-and-day. Jones knows how to develop talent. Jones has a long-term vision and is completely unwavering in selling it. Even if Butch went 5-7 this year, I still think he would be able to sell the future of the program. That doesn't mean that Butch will automatically succeed, but it certainly gives him much better odds.
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^ this

/thread
 
#38
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Instilled a LOSING ATTITUDE.
Which could be Butch's toughest obstacle this season.
 
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#39
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I know it probably is sacrilegious to disagree with some of you, but I don't think we blame Dooley for the lack of depth. Kiffin's class only had a few players left to finish their careers here. Then Dooley got about 45 days to scrap together a recruiting class his first year. Dools did some good things and some bad things. He was not ready to become head coach at an SEC program. His arrogance hurt him.
 
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However, I think injuries, arrests, transfers, and both 2009-2010 class are the causes.
 
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BoroVol20 said:
I know it probably is sacrilegious to disagree with some of you, but I don't think we blame Dooley for the lack of depth. Kiffin's class only had a few players left to finish their careers here. Then Dooley got about 45 days to scrap together a recruiting class his first year. Dools did some good things and some bad things. He was not ready to become head coach at an SEC program. His arrogance hurt him.
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Then how do you explain that his first class, the one he had to "scrap together" in 45 days was his highest ranked class? And every subsequent class was lower ranked, until the class he was putting together his last year here was behind Vanderbilt's?

Also, why would we blame the situation Dooley took over for a lack of depth now? Dooley had plenty of time to add depth.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
this program has been a complete clusterbleep since Fulmer's last years. Dooley took a bad situation and made it worse. these are just some bad bad times period.
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No disrespect but I don't know if you remember... We were in the sec championship game in fulmers 2nd to last year. It was his last season that we went 5-7 that was his demise. Last 6 year w-l record was 49-27. 3 of those 6 years were 10 win seasons with 2 sec championship game appearances only to lose to LSU in both. Which those were well fought games that we came up just short of knocking off what would be national champions LSU.

... But all the fulmer haters are right. He was the ultimate demise of UT. He had lost his touch. He only won the east 2 times during those last 6 yrs. so glad the fans point blame at Fulmer. Hamilton really saved us 😳
 
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#44
#44
Lets face it, precious was in over his head. Hammy had no business hiring the guy in the first place. Dooley never had the chance to be successful at UT, because he was an attorney pretending to be a football coach. He never found Rommel and neither did I. Butch is here now so we got to make the best of it and need to give him some time to sprinkle his magic dust on the hill. GBO!
 
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oregonvol said:
Then how do you explain that his first class, the one he had to "scrap together" in 45 days was his highest ranked class? And every subsequent class was lower ranked, until the class he was putting together his last year here was behind Vanderbilt's?

Also, why would we blame the situation Dooley took over for a lack of depth now? Dooley had plenty of time to add depth.
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Juwaun James, Justin Hunter, Da'Rick Rogers and James Stone were why his first ranked class was the highest. I don't know how to explain it. Slick talking? Good recruiting?

You know when you lose and your long time head coach gets booted for some snake that leaves in the middle of the night. The same snake who let Tajh Boyd walk. I believe takes a hit on recruiting.

Dooley never established relationships with the high schools. He was a used car salesman. I am so thankful he is gone. But if we are going to sit here and whine about why Dooley needs to take the blame, give me a break. Enough of the freaking excuses. Enough of the bad mouth. Pointing fingers. That's for freaking losers. Yeah, we suck. Yeah, it will take a couple of years to get back. Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia have all gone through this.
We will be back.
 
#47
#47
He put together the best offense in school history, and simultaneously wasted it by hiring Sal Sunseri. Without Sal last year was a 10 win season.
 
#49
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
It certainly wasn't coach or recruit for needs.

It's been bothering me more on Georgia week. He wasn't a organizational manager. He wasn't a player's coach. He wasn't a football coach. Everyone says we have no talent and no depth. What did he do here?

If Kiffin was an atom bomb leaving radioactive decay in his wake, the Bamboo Farmer was the process of erosion. It doesnt look like it's doing much then one day, poof, the mountain is gone.

Forget Steve Spurrier. I think Vol fans have to strongly consider Vince and Barbara as the ultimate Vol Nemeses of the modern era.

Go Vols!
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Is this really necessary? How long before we've beaten this horse into dust?

Dooley recruited most of the talent that takes the field now. Yes. He left big holes. Yes the team is critically thin in places. He quit on his last recruiting class long before he was fired and that's probably the BIGGEST problem right now.

He didn't cause Gordon to quit.... who would have been a pretty nice guy to have around on this team at nickel. He didn't cause Bray, Hunter, or CP to go pro early. The latter two especially would be pretty valuable right now. He didn't cause DR to get stupid... at least not directly.

What did he do? He came in with enthusiasm. He had a decent first year with both play and recruiting. He got overwhelmed by the situation. He lost control of guys like Bray. He lost hope. He became negative. He became ineffective. He became bitter. He stopped working and withdrew into a shell... then he got fired.


Is this really something we have to relive in a new thread every week? He's gone. His career as far as being a HC is all but certainly over.... and he could have made more money as a lawyer as an assistant coach.

At some point, you need to let go of the contempt and just pity the guy for failing... unless of course you really do believe he did it on purpose. In that case... you need some help.
 
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