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#51
#51
The players should just go the sanctified, holier-than-thou approach of most coaches and base it on 'needs of my family' or 'God's will', or 'career opportunity', or 'calling' and be done with it.

Because, I'm POSITIVE Kannell and others have written snarky tweets when coaches move schools. Right?? Right????
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'd say the portal giveth and taketh and faulting a man because he did what he felt was right for his career or family is not my style.

Again, can Hooker be a VFL when he didn't start here? If we go all the way this year and Nico decides to go to Oregon or something, we disown him despite the ring? Jeremy Banks never left but I'm unsure the turbulence he brought in the locker room earned him a VFL.

If a guy isn't a problem, puts in the work, taps the sign, and leaves it on the field..... I'll leave the VFL on him because he earned it.
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I didn't fault anyone. See, I think this might be where we're disagreeing. If you say someone isn't a VFL because they left and went somewhere else, that's not the same as criticizing them, IMO. I certainly don't look at it that way. I just have a hard time still thinking of them as Vols "For Life".

And yes, if Nico leaves, I will be grateful and appreciative of his accomplishments at Tennessee. But I will always think of him as a former Vol, versus a VFL.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
100% depends on whether the staff indicated they would be better served to move on. We are still a couple of guys heavy for the fall. So it is probably a mixed bag. Very few simplistic absolutes in this space, with the portal windows. We have not been hit by the plain money grabbers you see in the portal news.
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I agree with this. If a former player says leaving was not his choice and he never would have left willingly and that he still considers himself a VFL, then I could see that. That's a fair point.
 
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Hacksaw said:
I didn't fault anyone. See, I think this might be where we're disagreeing. If you say someone isn't a VFL because they left and went somewhere else, that's not the same as criticizing them, IMO. I certainly don't look at it that way. I just have a hard time still thinking of them as Vols "For Life".

And yes, if Nico leaves, I will be grateful and appreciative of his accomplishments at Tennessee. But I will always think of him as a former Vol, versus a VFL.
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I think everyone pretty much agrees with your take.

This was the guys tweet......

But can we please stop with the lengthy love letters professing "I'll always be a __________" and how much you love your coaches and teammates???
No...you won't be.
No...you don't.

A player can honestly say and feel that he will always be a Vol, even though others may no longer view that player as a VFL.
A player can honestly say he loved his coaches and teammates.
 
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The Original Fade said:
I’d tell him to do what he feels is in his best long term interest. If that means taking the money and leaving, then do so without trying to have your cake ant eat it too with a disingenuous social media post about your love and devotion to the coaches and players and program you just left
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The only opinions that count are staff and squad members. These guys leaving to move down or across and play can still have the respect of these valid voters who know their real motivations to do so. Others may have real market value we are not going to meet given the opportunity. There are pure mercenaries out there, verify it then hate them. Rest, not so much.
 
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#59
This is situational - if said player transferred to say Bama or Georgia and then was the player that contributed to said team beating the Vols, you would definitely not call that player a VFL.

That doesn't mean they did not attend UT. It doesn't mean they were not a good teammate. But they did bail on their team and contributed to one of the Vols competitors beating Tennessee. That is not a VFL to me - sorry but it isn't.

We one moves to join forces with a competitor, they are now a foe, not a friend.
 
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#60
Said different - the player is a VFL until they have to play against the Vols, then they are not a VFL - if they were they would defer out of the game against their former school
 
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#62
He hit the nail on the head. Hit the road jack!!! Think of yourself first, Think of your agent, Think of your money.
tennesseeduke said:
Committing to something and honoring it is bigger than dollars and BTW I’ve had this conversation with my son!
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First thing I would do is tell who the schools are that's doing this!!!!!
 
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Did he have a problem with it when FSU was doing well last year with a bunch of transfers?
 
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#64
Is it any different if they left early for the draft? I can see both sides on this and there's a lot of angles to it and to be honest I have to admit I feel both side on it at different times. Is Walker Merrill any less a Vol than Jalen Wright? Sometimes it just stings but have to have faith they will get some to offset the departures.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
When they hit the portal GTFO! You are no longer a VFL
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What if they wanted to stay but knew they would never play? Them transferring actually makes the team better by opening up space. I don’t like the mercenary crap either but sometimes that’s not the case.
 
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DaddyChad said:
What if they wanted to stay but knew they would never play? Them transferring actually makes the team better by opening up space. I don’t like the mercenary crap either but sometimes that’s not the case.
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Does it make us better? Maybe! Everyone that leaves had a helluva lot of time money and energy spent on them to just go somewhere else.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Does it make us better? Maybe! Everyone that leaves had a helluva lot of time money and energy spent on them to just go somewhere else.
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Spillman was likely never going to play here; he came in with his brother. That’s just a spot someone else can fill. Ryan Damron walked on here bc it was his dream school; he knew he would never play here. Got to live his dream here but now it’s time to go somewhere that he can actually get on the field. Coaches have discussions with players at the end of the season to discuss the likelihood of someone actually contributing here; I don’t think anyone gets forced out unless there’s an attitude issue or whatever but guys are encouraged to leave for their benefit at times.
 
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There are several things that need to be addressed for all of college football in the off season this year. 1) change transfer option to 1 year. If more than 1 then you have to sit a year. 2). NIL money repaid if you leave. 3) transfer windows moved especially to after the season. I can’t believe this $h!t is happening in the middle of the playoffs and to playoffs teams. 4) remove the high school scholarships signings of 85. Some schools not using the portal can have some options.
 
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#71
I mean once they were a Vol they will always be a Vol. They don’t just erase that part of life. What if they were nudge out by the coaches? We don’t call them a VFL because they ended up somewhere they were wanted?
 
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tennesseeduke said:
There are several things that need to be addressed for all of college football in the off season this year. 1) change transfer option to 1 year. If more than 1 then you have to sit a year. 2). NIL money repaid if you leave. 3) transfer windows moved especially to after the season. I can’t believe this $h!t is happening in the middle of the playoffs and to playoffs teams. 4) remove the high school scholarships signings of 85. Some schools not using the portal can have some options.
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NIL is not tied to playing though. Not even offered by the school itself.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
There are several things that need to be addressed for all of college football in the off season this year. 1) change transfer option to 1 year. If more than 1 then you have to sit a year. 2). NIL money repaid if you leave. 3) transfer windows moved especially to after the season. I can’t believe this $h!t is happening in the middle of the playoffs and to playoffs teams. 4) remove the high school scholarships signings of 85. Some schools not using the portal can have some options.
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1. Violates the federal courts decision in Ohio vs NCAA

2. Blatantly illegal. The schools don't pay NIL.
It's not the schools' money

3. Also illegal under Ohio vs NCAA.

4. Scholarships going to 105. The SEC is the only league keeping it to 85. That's going to get challenged in court.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
1. Violates the federal courts decision in Ohio vs NCAA

2. Blatantly illegal. The schools don't pay NIL.
It's not the schools' money

3. Also illegal under Ohio vs NCAA.

4. Scholarships going to 105. The SEC is the only league keeping it to 85. That's going to get challenged in court.
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No it doesn’t. This &h!t is so fluid, it could be motor oil! Wait 5 minutes somebody else will make up another rule! I’m talking about gotta handle on this so it’s the same options for everyone.
 
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