What I Learned from Plain English

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This is my favorite podcast. It's not political in nature, but because it covers current events (usually less serious stuff, like tech and medicine), its episodes have political implications. Tons of interesting conversations that need a resting place here on VN.

This one was really interesting:

- In 1984?, 31% of HS grad girls were graduating college and 38% of boys. In 2024, it's 51% and 38% respectively.
- political lines among the young are not dividing by race/gender, so much as college educated vs. not.
- specifically, working class males are falling behind
- both groups (educated vs. not) are rejecting institutions*, but this is negatively impacting working class males because of a lack of neededness
- suicide (up 40% since 2000) and accidental over-doses are on the rise because of this...we've had an extra 400k men this century fall prey to accidental over-dose. They point out that this is like fighting a world war a century ago.
- labor force participation among young males is down. Disability claims are way up. They're living with their parents. Etc.
- the Biden administration passed economic legislation designed specifically to help this group get on their feet. But their messaging basically never includes men. They're afraid to include men for fear of appearing anti-women, or something. And that is a big reason why young men are done with D's.
- cultural ideals determine politics moreso than economic factors

And I remember several times I've heard people claim that the suicide rate among LGBTQ teens explains that there is something wrong with LGBTQ teens. I always countered that this has more to do with how they feel within society rather than anything inherent to being LGBTQ. I would say the realities now faced by young, working class males perfectly illustrate the role this acceptance mechanism plays.

*marriage, children, church, government, scouting, little league...they talked about how there are fewer coaches. 27% of teachers now are male. In so many ways, men feel and demonstrate with their actions that they feel needed less.

 
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What was the specific legislation they passed?

Agree this is a problem. But idk how you address it (other than adderall) because I see girls as being genetically advantaged in school over boys
 
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This is my favorite podcast. It's not political in nature, but because it covers current events (usually less serious stuff, like tech and medicine), its episodes have political implications. Tons of interesting conversations that need a resting place here on VN.

This one was really interesting:

- In 1984?, 31% of HS grad girls were graduating college and 38% of boys. In 2024, it's 51% and 38% respectively.
- political lines among the young are not dividing by race/gender, so much as college educated vs. not.
- specifically, working class males are falling behind
- both groups (educated vs. not) are rejecting institutions*, but this is negatively impacting working class males because of a lack of neededness
- suicide (up 40% since 2000) and accidental over-doses are on the rise because of this...we've had an extra 400k men this century fall prey to accidental over-dose. They point out that this is like fighting a world war a century ago.
- labor force participation among young males is down. Disability claims are way up. They're living with their parents. Etc.
- the Biden administration passed economic legislation designed specifically to help this group get on their feet. But their messaging basically never includes men. They're afraid to include men for fear of appearing anti-women, or something. And that is a big reason why young men are done with D's.
- cultural ideals determine politics moreso than economic factors

And I remember several times I've heard people claim that the suicide rate among LGBTQ teens explains that there is something wrong with LGBTQ teens. I always countered that this has more to do with how they feel within society rather than anything inherent to being LGBTQ. I would say the realities now faced by young, working class males perfectly illustrate the role this acceptance mechanism plays.

*marriage, children, church, government, scouting, little league...they talked about how there are fewer coaches. 27% of teachers now are male. In so many ways, men feel and demonstrate with their actions that they feel needed less.

You couldn't just leave the idiotic faux trans parallel argument out, could you? It isn't worth talking about unless you can somehow find a way to use it as a club against the hateful maga bigots.
 
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What was the specific legislation they passed?

Agree this is a problem. But idk how you address it (other than adderall) because I see girls as being genetically advantaged in school over boys

IDK, some kind of infrastructure bill. They say it in the pod but I care so little about that ****, they might've said the inflation bill. I just took the point that it was a big bill and subtly was designed to help the working class.

They pointed out you would expect unions to love them for this, but unions are turning on D's (because message matters more than anything)
 
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You couldn't just leave the idiotic faux trans parallel argument out, could you? It isn't worth talking about unless you can somehow find a way to use it as a club against the hateful maga bigots.
Ha! I was waiting for it, similar to the idiotic comparison with trannies.
 
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IDK, some kind of infrastructure bill. They say it in the pod but I care so little about that ****, they might've said the inflation bill. I just took the point that it was a big bill and subtly was designed to help the working class.

They pointed out you would expect unions to love them for this, but unions are turning on D's (because message matters more than anything)

I ask because as a former teacher (and father of a boy) the issue is of interest to me, but I have no clue how to solve it. So I’d be curious to know how they proposed helping the issue.

The only thoughts I have are
1. Stop subsidizing college given college grads should end up more successful anyway
2. Introduce trade schools options at the high school level to the same level we have AP courses and duel enrollment courses. If a kid can graduate high school with an associates degree (at many schools you can do that now), why can’t they graduate as a certified electrician?
 
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I ask because as a former teacher (and father of a boy) the issue is of interest to me, but I have no clue how to solve it. So I’d be curious to know how they proposed helping the issue.

The only thoughts I have are
1. Stop subsidizing college given college grads should end up more successful anyway
2. Introduce trade schools options at the high school level to the same level we have AP courses and duel enrollment courses. If a kid can graduate high school with an associates degree (at many schools you can do that now), why can’t they graduate as a certified electrician?
There's a lot of money to be made in the trades. Actually necessary, useful and need skills too. An 'Educated" person specializing in African American Literature doesn't have any usefulness. Trade schools should be a priority.
 
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You couldn't just leave the idiotic faux trans parallel argument out, could you? It isn't worth talking about unless you can somehow find a way to use it as a club against the hateful maga bigots.

Hey, I'm just glad to see you're alive, bro.
 
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There's a lot of money to be made in the trades. Actually necessary, useful and need skills too. An 'Educated" person specializing in African American Literature doesn't have any usefulness. Trade schools should be a priority.

Agreed, but make it a priority in high school. When I taught math students could leave and go take classes at the community college.

Why isn’t that an option with trade school? Juniors who have completed x number of credits, let them be still considered a high school student (so they don’t miss their SR prom, can participate in sports, etc), and use what the state would pay for them to go to high school as a voucher with the local trade schools
 
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You couldn't just leave the idiotic faux trans parallel argument out, could you? It isn't worth talking about unless you can somehow find a way to use it as a club against the hateful maga bigots.
Where did he bring up MAGA or bigots? That smells of projecting
 
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Agreed, but make it a priority in high school. When I taught math students could leave and go take classes at the community college.

Why isn’t that an option with trade school? Juniors who have completed x number of credits, let them be still considered a high school student (so they don’t miss their SR prom, can participate in sports, etc), and use what the state would pay for them to go to high school as a voucher with the local trade schools
We had "Running Start" when I was in high school. Didn't really know much about it early in high school, but it was going to CC junior and senior years like what you're talking about. Learning trades during that time would be phenomenal.
 
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Where did he bring up MAGA or bigots? That smells of projecting
It's there. Huff has a history of this exact thing. He can't concede a point that "the right" has been claiming for years without finding a way to minimize or parallel it to some unrelated thing. He can't just let "the right" score a point. It's offsetting. Replay the down.
 
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I'll take your snarky response as an admittance that the only reason this is interesting to you is that you think you've found a way to turn it around on muh maga bigots.

I did wonder where you were. We don't get along but I don't hate you.

You're on ignore because I bring out the worst in you and I'm trying not to contribute more to that process than I already am, simply by starting threads. I'm good not responding to your trolling.
 
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I did wonder where you were. We don't get along but I don't hate you.

You're on ignore because I bring out the worst in you and I'm trying not to contribute more to that process than I already am, simply by starting threads. I'm good not responding to your trolling.
Accuse me of trolling in the same sentence that you're concern trolling. Lol. You're more predictable than the tides.
 
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maybe listen to this episode and then re-read everything



It's the cherry picking and interpretation which is designed to justify more resentment, MAGA style, that made me laugh.

You can call any podcast non political, then take the topic and turn it into the usual, tired, grievances of the Trump cult.
 
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It's the cherry picking and interpretation which is designed to justify more resentment, MAGA style, that made me laugh.

You can call any podcast non political, then take the topic and turn it into the usual, tired, grievances of the Trump cult.
Of course our resident "Independent" would be so dismissive...

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IDK, some kind of infrastructure bill. They say it in the pod but I care so little about that ****, they might've said the inflation bill. I just took the point that it was a big bill and subtly was designed to help the working class.

They pointed out you would expect unions to love them for this, but unions are turning on D's (because message matters more than anything)
Message? How about proven results of what they have done? (or more appropriately HAVEN'T done)
 
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It's the cherry picking and interpretation which is designed to justify more resentment, MAGA style, that made me laugh.

You can call any podcast non political, then take the topic and turn it into the usual, tired, grievances of the Trump cult.

Cherry picking for MAGA? The host is slightly left of center trying his best to be down the middle, you goof. They are not Trump guys at all and neither am I.

They're just trying to understand the world. Don't be afraid.

I've managed to upset people on both sides with one post. That's how you know it's good ****
 
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Cherry picking for MAGA? The host is slightly left of center trying his best to be down the middle, you goof. They are not Trump guys at all and neither am I.

They're just trying to understand the world. Don't be afraid.

I've managed to upset people on both sides with one post. That's how you know it's good ****
People like him are part of the problem. Instead of actually trying to understand why so many young men in the country are suffering mentally, he just completely dismisses it as "MAGA resentment". It is truly pathetic.
 
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People like him are part of the problem. Instead of actually trying to understand why so many young men in the country are suffering mentally, he just completely dismisses it as "MAGA resentment". It is truly pathetic.

I was afraid MAGA people were the ones who would take the data the wrong way (like an insult, or something). Did not see that coming from the left, lol
 
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I did wonder where you were. We don't get along but I don't hate you.

You're on ignore because I bring out the worst in you and I'm trying not to contribute more to that process than I already am, simply by starting threads. I'm good not responding to your trolling.

Kudos for your selflessness. I hate seeing Sam get so worked up.

#ProtectHim
 

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