What is a successful season

#51
#51
VolsSportsFan said:
That team was ranked in the Top 25 at least half the season.
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and you ascribe top 25 team to mean that they have more talent. Interesting that coaching has nothing to do with a being a top 25 team. I mean, recruiting, developing, x's and o's don't mean anything if the players aren't talented....:pilot:
 
#52
#52
Lefteye said:
I see this argument regurgitated all the time, but the FACT that always seems to come up in my mind is at least BP was there and had a chance to make the final 4. And for the couple of years he may have underachieved in the tourney I will raise you an elite 8 that nobody really saw coming. jmo carry on
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Again, so does that mean making the NCAAT was enough to be considered successful?
 
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#53
#53
goldvol said:
and you ascribe top 25 team to mean that they have more talent. Interesting that coaching has nothing to do with a being a top 25 team. I mean, recruiting, developing, x's and o's don't mean anything if the players aren't talented....:pilot:
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Wow because I said all that. Jump to conclusions much. You said that team wasn't more talented that this team, and I disagree based on the rosters.
 
#54
#54
k-town_king said:
This is Martin's third year. Pearl's third year he had a better roster.

CLO over McRae
Stokes/Chism pretty even
JaJuan Smith over J Rich
Ramar Smith over Barton
Tyler Smith over Maymon

Those are just the starters.

Off the bench down low Crews and B Will over Pops and Reese/AJ. AJ and Reese aren't even really post players.

JP Prince and Josh Tabb over Armani and Q

Not even close.

The first year was even worse if you look at the inherited players.
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2 main players pearl did not bring in. What is martin's next excuse.
 
#56
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VolsSportsFan said:
Always easy to make claims that can never be proven one way or the other.
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well its a proven fact that Martin cant even get a team into the tourney and if he happens to get this team in they will get bounced early. But he did get them into the NIT
 
#57
#57
goldvol said:
You said the teams that lost in the first round were way more talented... then you decide to flip the script. So if you want to compare pearl and martin, which by the way is off topic, that team was from pearl's sweet 16 run.
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I was comparing third year rosters. But Ok. First round loss teams.

2009
Chism=Stokes
T Smith> Maymon
Hopson=McRae
Maze> Barton
Prince=Rich

Bench
Tatum>Q/Moore
B Williams> Pops. AJ/Reese.

2011 69.9 ppg 19-15
Tobias Harris> Stokes
Hopson=McRae
Goins>Barton
Tatum=J Rich
Williams=Maymon after injury

bench
Fields/Maymon/Kenny Hall post > Pops and two wings playing out of place (AJ/Reese)

McRae/Golden/Woolridge> Thompson/ Q/ Moore

2009 Comparable but I think Pearl's team had the edge. They were 21-13 and lost in the first round. Seems about what we are on pace for with the same or less talent.

2011 No question Pearl had more talent. Went 19-15 lost first round. We are already having a better year than that with less talent.


So how can people say Pearl would have went to the Sweet 16 with this team? When he had comparable or better talent he won 21 and 19 games and lost first round. Including by 30.
 
#58
#58
tnvols72 said:
well its a proven fact that Martin cant even get a team into the tourney and if he happens to get this team in they will get bounced early. But he did get them into the NIT
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Thanks for that, though it really has nothing to do with what I said. But if it makes you feel better.
 
#61
#61
VolsSportsFan said:
Wow because I said all that. Jump to conclusions much. You said that team wasn't more talented that this team, and I disagree based on the rosters.
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Right, and you base the rosters off the coaches' third years. Yet you refuse to see that a coach is the most important part of what a roster looks like. Any coaches third year roster is because of the players he has developed, the players he has recruited, and the game plan he brings to the table.

Sure you can compare rosters all day, but the better teams (better rosters) are also going to have the better coach. This is not coincidence.
 
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#62
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k-town_king said:
I was comparing third year rosters. But Ok. First round loss teams.

2009
Chism=Stokes
T Smith> Maymon
Hopson=McRae
Maze> Barton
Prince=Rich

Bench
Tatum>Q/Moore
B Williams> Pops. AJ/Reese.

2011 69.9 ppg 19-15
Tobias Harris> Stokes
Hopson=McRae
Goins>Barton
Tatum=J Rich
Williams=Maymon after injury

bench
Fields/Maymon/Kenny Hall post > Pops and two wings playing out of place (AJ/Reese)

McRae/Golden/Woolridge> Thompson/ Q/ Moore

2009 Comparable but I think Pearl's team had the edge. They were 21-13 and lost in the first round. Seems about what we are on pace for with the same or less talent.

2011 No question Pearl had more talent. Went 19-15 lost first round. We are already having a better year than that with less talent.


So how can people say Pearl would have went to the Sweet 16 with this team? When he had comparable or better talent he won 21 and 19 games and lost first round. Including by 30.
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probably because Pearl is a better coach than Martin and has a history of winning.
 
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#63
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k-town_king said:
I was comparing third year rosters. But Ok. First round loss teams.

2009
Chism=Stokes
T Smith> Maymon
Hopson=McRae
Maze> Barton
Prince=Rich

Bench
Tatum>Q/Moore
B Williams> Pops. AJ/Reese.

2011 69.9 ppg 19-15
Tobias Harris> Stokes
Hopson=McRae
Goins>Barton
Tatum=J Rich
Williams=Maymon after injury

bench
Fields/Maymon/Kenny Hall post > Pops and two wings playing out of place (AJ/Reese)

McRae/Golden/Woolridge> Thompson/ Q/ Moore

2009 Comparable but I think Pearl's team had the edge. They were 21-13 and lost in the first round. Seems about what we are on pace for with the same or less talent.

2011 No question Pearl had more talent. Went 19-15 lost first round. We are already having a better year than that with less talent.


So how can people say Pearl would have went to the Sweet 16 with this team? When he had comparable or better talent he won 21 and 19 games and lost first round. Including by 30.
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Are you going to blame Martin for the players he is bringing in or keep bashing pearl for making it to the tourney?
 
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#64
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calban said:
Just answering his attitude that Pearl's accomplishments weren't all that much.
Think his guy needs to at least make one to start to compare resumes.
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Pearl's accomplishments were outstanding and there is no denying that; but at the same time I'm not suddenly going to judge Martin differently just because I don't like him as much.
 
#67
#67
VolsSportsFan said:
Pearl's accomplishments were outstanding and there is no denying that; but at the same time I'm not suddenly going to judge Martin differently just because I don't like him as much.
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so you need more time to judge him to see if he is going to make it ? I bet you said the same thing about Dooley to.
 
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goldvol said:
Right, and you base the rosters off the coaches' third years. Yet you refuse to see that a coach is the most important part of what a roster looks like. Any coaches third year roster is because of the players he has developed, the players he has recruited, and the game plan he brings to the table.

Sure you can compare rosters all day, but the better teams (better rosters) are also going to have the better coach. This is not coincidence.
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WTF are you even babbling about? You're throwing out a bunch of garbage I never even said. You're the one who said this roster is better than the one Pearl had in 2008-09, and I disagree.

Stop building up strawmen to argue with just because you feel the need to get on a soapbox and crow.
 
#69
#69
tnvols72 said:
so you need more time to judge him to see if he is going to make it ? I bet you said the same thing about Dooley to.
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Yes, it's called the end of the season. If we're in NCAAT, then it's a success. No matter how much it puts your panties in a wad.
 
#70
#70
This team was flawed with Golden and was flawed more without Golden. We have not had a true point guard in Martin's 3 years here. Thompson is the closest thing and he's a freshman still learning. I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player. However, Sat showed us just how horrific our ball handling is on this team. Would we have won with Golden? No, but I don't think it's a complete blowout either. He could at least handle the ball better than who we have on the roster. That is why UT wasn't ranked pre-season and a lot of experts are still skeptical of UT because we still don't have a point guard who can run the offense. Couple that with Martin who obviously is offensively challenged then you get what we're getting this year.
 
#71
#71
tnvols72 said:
has Martin got any team in the tourney ?
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Again, what's that got to do with making an absolute statement that Pearl would put this team in the Sweet 16?

Show me where I said Martin would put this team in the Sweet 16, show me where I said Martin is a good coach, and show me where I even argued anything that would cause you to reply like this, other than you feel the need to take another shot at a dead horse.
 
#74
#74
VolsSportsFan said:
WTF are you even babbling about? You're throwing out a bunch of garbage I never even said. You're the one who said this roster is better than the one Pearl had in 2008-09, and I disagree.

Stop building up strawmen to argue with just because you feel the need to get on a soapbox and crow.
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You're the one who said this roster is better than the one Pearl had in 2008-09 I never said this. Now you are LYING. That's pretty sad
 
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#75
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VolsSportsFan said:
Again, what's that got to do with making an absolute statement that Pearl would put this team in the Sweet 16?

Show me where I said Martin would put this team in the Sweet 16, show me where I said Martin is a good coach, and show me where I even argued anything that would cause you to reply like this, other than you feel the need to take another shot at a dead horse.
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where is your proof that Martin is a good coach. What has he done to make you believe that ?
Oh a person isn't allowed to comment on another persons posts. Well if you don't want someone to reply to your posts then stop posting. I know when I posts Im setting myself up for somebody to reply to it. That is the fun part.
 
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