What is a successful season

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k-town_king said:
For UT in your mind.


Finishing above projections

NCAA trip

NCAA trip and a win

NCAA trip with no losses to lower seeds

Sweet sixteen

Elite Eight

No matter if you like Martin or not or want Pearl back what do you think is a good year for us? No qualifying factors just what is a good year.
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I think expectations have to be based on talent and this team has Sweet Sixteen caliber talent. So I would say anything short of a NCAA berth and a first round win would be a unsuccessful season.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Pearl won and you are Picking 1 tourney that he got bounced in the 1st round.Martin cant even get into the tourney to find out how fast he gets bounced.How many tourneys did Pearlget into ?
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It was two. Plus a CLO miracle shot with 2.9 seconds left from being three, against a number 15 seed actually.
 
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k-town_king said:
It was two. Plus a CLO miracle shot with 2.9 seconds left from being three, against a number 15 seed actually.
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I agree but he made it and moved on.

sometimes it takes luck , just like its going to take luck to get in the tourney this year. I hope they get in.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
With Pearl, it's touted how he made the NCAAT every year. So is that good enough, or do you need to go back and say some of those years were now a disappointment?

By the definition you're giving, 3 of Pearl's years were disappointing.
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We are talking about this year, and I was simply referring to the threads made prior to the year starting about what would make it a success and what people's expectations were.
 
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goldvol said:
Yes, I did say that those two teams were not "way more talented than this team". That is completely different than saying this team is more talented than the teams you mentioned. I don't know how else to make it more simple for you. So again, please stop putting words in my mouth.
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I'll stop when you stop, how about that?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Ok so what was your expectation in 2008?
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I'm not sure what they were but what would it matter? How is that related to Martin this year?

Pearl had already established himself prior to 08. Martin is in his third year and is about to miss the tourney three years running.

I don't understand the comparison to Pearl. If you want to go that route then how do you think this team would be performing with him at the helm?

Would your expectations change?
 
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jcv0010 said:
I'm not sure what they were but what would it matter? How is that related to Martin this year?

Pearl had already established himself prior to 08. Martin is in his third year and is about to miss the tourney three years running.

I don't understand the comparison to Pearl. If you want to go that route then how do you think this team would be performing with him at the helm?

Would your expectations change?
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The whole point of this thread is what makes a successful season. The general consensus is that this team just making the NCAAT is unaccpetable, with many saying anything less than Sweet 16 is unaccpetable.

My point is what was accpetable for Pearl doesn't seem to be acceptable for Martin. You can say Pearl was established and he was consistent , but wouldn't Martin establish himself by making the NCAAT? And if this team not making the Sweet 16 is a failure, isn't the 2008 team just making the Sweet 16 a failure?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The whole point of this thread is what makes a successful season. The general consensus is that this team just making the NCAAT is unaccpetable, with many saying anything less than Sweet 16 is unaccpetable.

My point is what was accpetable for Pearl doesn't seem to be acceptable for Martin. You can say Pearl was established and he was consistent , but wouldn't Martin establish himself by making the NCAAT? And if this team not making the Sweet 16 is a failure, isn't the 2008 team just making the Sweet 16 a failure?
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Quit begging.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The whole point of this thread is what makes a successful season. The general consensus is that this team just making the NCAAT is unaccpetable, with many saying anything less than Sweet 16 is unaccpetable.

My point is what was accpetable for Pearl doesn't seem to be acceptable for Martin. You can say Pearl was established and he was consistent , but wouldn't Martin establish himself by making the NCAAT? And if this team not making the Sweet 16 is a failure, isn't the 2008 team just making the Sweet 16 a failure?
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The thing is, if Martin can't get it done this year with this team then in all likelihood he won't be able to in the future. There is too much talent and experience on this team for Martin to barely be squeaking his way in. We shouldn't even be wondering if we are going to get in, we should be discussing how far we go in the tourney, but that is not the case. We will be lucky to make the play in game.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm no Martin koolaide drinker. I simply state facts and stats to back up my opinions instead of just emotion.

I don't have to turn anything. You and JCV are making my point. You don't want to say what a good season would be for us, or what a good season for UT is. But you are sure every season Martin has had he underachieved and was a failure. You don't like Martin for whatever reason and want to see him gone. A lot never supported him and will not like anything he does no matter the outcome.

If I'm wrong what is a good season for UT? What should we expect each year for it to be a success?
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Seems you want to lower the bar just by some of your comments. Let me say the minimum expectation is to make the dance. That is 64 programs every year and if Tn can't find a coach to make the top 64 then it is a failure. By the way take out the conference champs so there are probably 35 to 40 open spots. Jerry Green and Bruce Pearl had no problem meeting that standard. You might opine what your standard is. I have a feeling I already know, but please do not mention mediocrity.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Seems you want to lower the bar just by some of your comments. Let me say the minimum expectation is to make the dance. That is 64 programs every year and if Tn can't find a coach to make the top 64 then it is a failure.
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It's lower than that when you account for automatic bids. Jussayin
 
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golfballs said:
It's lower than that when you account for automatic bids. Jussayin
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I know I went back and edited figuring about 35-40 open slots. Still doesn't change my thinking and not accepting a hit or miss entry every few years. I know that isn't your opinion either but pretty sure it's the OP's.
 
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jcv0010 said:
I'm not sure what they were but what would it matter? How is that related to Martin this year?

Pearl had already established himself prior to 08. Martin is in his third year and is about to miss the tourney three years running.

I don't understand the comparison to Pearl. If you want to go that route then how do you think this team would be performing with him at the helm?

Would your expectations change?
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So what were your expectations Martin's first two years and did he meet them?
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I know I went back and edited figuring about 35-40 open slots. Still doesn't change my thinking and not accepting a hit or miss entry every few years. I know that isn't your opinion either but pretty sure it's the OP's.
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I don't want to lower any bar. I think we should gun for at least the Sweet 16 every year. I am realistic though and know that is not possible. Like I said even UK, UNC etc don't make the NCAA every single year. You can never find one of their teams without a bunch of MC D's AA. We don't even have one.

What would be a successful year this year? What did you expect the first two years? You seem to think Martin is a complete and utter failure so how close was he to a good season the first two years?
 
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k-town_king said:
I don't want to lower any bar. I think we should gun for at least the Sweet 16 every year. I am realistic though and know that is not possible. Like I said even UK, UNC etc don't make the NCAA every single year. You can never find one of their teams without a bunch of MC D's AA. We don't even have one.

What would be a successful year this year? What did you expect the first two years? You seem to think Martin is a complete and utter failure so how close was he to a good season the first two years?
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We actually have MC D's AA. One is injured and stokes would have been had he not left school early.
 
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people's perspectives get skewed when you get spoiled.

the history of tennessee basketball would indicate that making the tournament every other year would be pretty good. but, pearl proved you can do better than that. and people now will not be satisfied unless a coach can achieve that kind of result.

if you asked me, pre-donovan, about florida basketball, i would have said a coach who can make the tournament every other year would be doing a good job. now, post-donovan, no gator fan will be able to handle a coach who can't compete for the tourney every season.

it's what makes sec football so cut throat. almost every fan base has glory years that they can recall. they don't want to hear it can't be done, because it has been done.
 
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