What is best Defense against HUNH

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But doesn't all this depend on the DC being able to sub players for 'the look' he wants? I'm not convinced the proposed rule change will decrease injury by any signifant amount, but it WILL improve the quality and of defensive packages we see; add more of the "like a game of chess" flavor to the game. I'm for it because it takes different players.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
But doesn't all this depend on the DC being able to sub players for 'the look' he wants? I'm not convinced the proposed rule change will decrease injury by any signifant amount, but it WILL improve the quality and of defensive packages we see; add more of the "like a game of chess" flavor to the game. I'm for it because it takes different players.
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This is kind of what I'm trying to say. Get a certain personnel in the game, run a few plays with a traditional look, then shift some folks around and hope to fool the QB. Get the QB focused so much on the fake double SS blitz from the edge that he throws to what he thinks is a wide open flat that turns into an easy pick when your LBs who were lined up at both DE spots alternate man and zone (1 of each every play ) and eventually end up in the perfect spot.

I didn't address the OP's question correctly, but somewhere in these ramblings is a glimmer of a few good ideas.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
Complain to the NCAA until they create enough rules to effectively outlaw it.
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Either that or recruit and field a team patterned on the Seattle Seahawk's defense and just beat the heck out of everybody else on the field, literally and figuratively.
 
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Burger said:
3-2-6, and any kind of nickel package. 4-2-5

My idea on how to defend it would be a 4-3 monster. I'd get a hard hitting safety playing my will spot. He'd be a monster, meaning he can rush the passer, defend the run, or cover the pass. Dillion Bates would be my monster if we ran it at UT. If Hunh goes fast, my D must go faster, if it makes sense. We must last to win. I'd get coverage safeties and forget about AJ type linebackers.

I got other ideas how to make the up tempo into a 10 second 3+ out.
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Have enough players to keep fresh legs in the game =Rotation
 
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Electric Orange said:
There lies the $64,000 question. One way is to put in one or more S/CB/LB on the D Line and letting them drop into coverage from there. QB's throw picks to DE's all the time when a DE drops into coverage when the QB expected a wide open throw. Take it a step further. Put a LB in for one of the DT's and tell him to shadow the QB or drop into a zone in a spot where the offense is having success. Just keep trying different stuff until the QB makes a mistake.
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If I see a 200 lb guy on the DL, im checking to a run to his side 100% of the time
 
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Burger said:
Especially on the Dline. The giants won two superbowls with a 9 deep rotation.
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I'm guessing you're thinking about the 2007 SB XLII & 2011 SB XLVI both against the Patriots with Coughlin as coach.

But were those SB wins by the Giants against a constant Patriots HUNH offense? Uh ..no.

But the Giants D-line DID do a number on the Patriots O-line, I agree with that and rotation of players to keep them fresh IS key. I totally agree with that, and that is what the HUNH prevents.

When a CFB HUNH offense reels off a long drive it keeps the DC from being able to sub & insert what he considers the players with the best skills for the situation and the big boys in the D-line get gassed. The amount of energy they expend is huge.

We see the cameras cut to the D-line guys on the sideline and hear the common-taters commentatin' how gassed these guys are every week.

"Well, ya know Tater Salad, that's whut the HUNH does to the big uglies, when the DC cain't run in fresh laigs."

"Ya, yer right Tater Tot, that left guard looks like there ain't enough oxygen in the stadium to get him back. They're gonna have a tough time for the rest of the game. By the 2nd half, they've got a HUNH in their house that's gonna basically score at will".

So, what defensive schemes are best to negate the HUNH, and help get a fresh set of 'laigs' in the game?
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
I'm guessing you're thinking about the 2007 SB XLII & 2011 SB XLVI both against the Patriots with Coughlin as coach.

But were those SB wins by the Giants against a constant Patriots HUNH offense? Uh ..no.

But the Giants D-line DID do a number on the Patriots O-line, I agree with that and rotation of players to keep them fresh IS key. I totally agree with that, and that is what the HUNH prevents.

When a CFB HUNH offense reels off a long drive it keeps the DC from being able to sub & insert what he considers the players with the best skills for the situation and the big boys in the D-line get gassed. The amount of energy they expend is huge.

We see the cameras cut to the D-line guys on the sideline and hear the common-taters commentatin' how gassed these guys are every week.

"Well, ya know Tater Salad, that's whut the HUNH does to the big uglies, when the DC cain't run in fresh laigs."

"Ya, yer right Tater Tot, that left guard looks like there ain't enough oxygen in the stadium to get him back. They're gonna have a tough time for the rest of the game. By the 2nd half, they've got a HUNH in their house that's gonna basically score at will".

So, what defensive schemes are best to negate the HUNH, and help get a fresh set of 'laigs' in the game?
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Patriots do run a form of Hunh. I know they did in 2011. Chavis' mustang package works very well, aka the dime 3-2-6. It's all about getting speed on the field against hurry up no huddle
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
siap ... The proposed 10 second rule allowing defenses to run in subs, ostensibly to reduce injuries, may or may not pass. There are lots of folks opposed to it, and like 'GrowVol' point to coaching and S&C as the answer; (See the other thread) and some who support it. Lots of reasons for each side. The merits of whether the proposed rule is good and will reduce injuries can be discussed there.

So, let's assume the injury question is moot, and the proposal fails, and CFB rules continue as they are:

Is it true that defense is much more physically demanding than offense? Hey, lots of fans (myself included) seem to think so. And if so, after the D gets gassed, and it will:

How do coaches counter the HUNH? 3-4, 4-3, 4-2-5, hybrids, what?

What kinds of players must be recruited for each position.
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Be LSU and problem solved if you ask me.
 
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Ask the Stanford D Coordinator who has stopped the best in Oregon two years back to back ...oops, he's Vandy's HC now. There's a reason the da ducks have never won a national title and it's because they can't win out in the PAC12, SC, UW, or Stanford can year in and year out find a way to take them down. Auburn & Malzahn will be no different, they just had the hosses and momentum last year, its not the offense, its the execution on either side of the ball that wins and loses games.
 
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Burger said:
Patriots do run a form of Hunh. I know they did in 2011. Chavis' mustang package works very well, aka the dime 3-2-6. It's all about getting speed on the field against hurry up no huddle
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I did say "a constant HUNH". But (hat's off to you) you're right, they were running the HUNH some, and their fantastic season has to give a lot of credit to that.

What I've been thinking about is like Oregon's or TAMU's approach. Where they run it most if not all of the game.

So, looking at the Patriots regular season games that year (2007) they frickin' blasted their way through, averaging almost a 20 point winning margin. And that only helps to make my point. A team that runs the HUNH effectively can run up scores on the defense. Yes, a few teams will manage to hold them down, but by and large, that won't happen.

Jets 38-14
Chargers 38-14
Bills 38-7
Bengals 34-13
Browns 34-17
Cowboys 48-27
Dolphins 49-28
Redskins 52-7
Colts 24-20
Bills 56-10
Eagles 31-28
Ravens 27-24
Steelers 34-13
Jets 20-10
Dolphins 28-7
Giants 38-35

Even though the Giants were able to attack Brady with fresh legs, they were only able to win with a Manning in the game.
 
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volfanecs said:
For us really old people. HUNH?
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Hurry Up No Huddle

Object is to hurry the offense to the line without a huddle and 'set' (even if it's a fake set) which prevents the DC from subbing players; either to get fresh legs in AND/OR a better matchup against what he thinks the OC is going to run. Example being the DC now wants to run man-to-man, but the secondary he has in is more suited to a zone defense, but he'll get flagged unless the offense substitutes.
 
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GrowVol said:
The ncaa is the best defense.
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Ah, they'll do somethin' but it won't kill a hurry up offense who can sub anytime they want. Any rule change will just allow some defensive subbing during long drives. No big deal.

Unless what you like to see is a gassed defensive line, or the wrong secondary on the field, getting gashed. I don't.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Ah, they'll do somethin' but it won't kill a hurry up offense who can sub anytime they want. Any rule change will just allow some defensive subbing during long drives. No big deal.

Unless what you like to see is a gassed defensive line, or the wrong secondary on the field, getting gashed. I don't.
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Wimps. Just use rugby players on defense after teaching them Chavis' mustang packets.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Hurry Up No Huddle

Object is to hurry the offense to the line without a huddle and 'set' (even if it's a fake set) which prevents the DC from subbing players; either to get fresh legs in AND/OR a better matchup against what he thinks the OC is going to run. Example being the DC now wants to run man-to-man, but the secondary he has in is more suited to a zone defense, but he'll get flagged unless the offense substitutes.
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Thank you. GBO.
 
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Build a wall around the city and draft every able bodied man in the city to protect it. Wait I thought we were talking about Atilla the Hun.
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