What is CBJ's end game with QBs? Talking 2014

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Obviously CBJ is trying as hard as he can to save both Ferguson and Dobbs until next year when more of his own recruits come on board. Say we get to that point, what does he do with Worley, send him packing? Do you see CBJ keeping Worley starter through his senior year? Does he start mixing in Dobbs and Ferguson into the games and slowly fade out Worley? I guess 2014 is when the real QB battle starts?
 
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Excellent question. Not saying he will do this with Worley, but at Cincy, he moved Travis Kelce from QB to TE and he ended up being a 3rd round draft pick.
 
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I think he is still searching for that answer.

If its still this murky in Nov. Im aggressively looking for a QB in this class.
 
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coug said:
Obviously CBJ is trying as hard as he can to save both Ferguson and Dobbs until next year when more of his own recruits come on board. Say we get to that point, what does he do with Worley, send him packing? Do you see CBJ keeping Worley starter through his senior year? Does he start mixing in Dobbs and Ferguson into the games and slowly fade out Worley? I guess 2014 is when the real QB battle starts?
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I will premise this by stating again that you and way too many others are underestimating Worley's potential. I am not saying he will become a great QB but the potential is there for him to be a very good college QB.

Now, to your point. IMHO, he will play the best guy but acts as if he assumes that will be Worley through next year. He is trying to preserve the RS's obviously but he's also making comments related to the QB-receiver rapport that indicates that assumption.

So the "end" game assuming UT does not win more this year or next than most of us expect.... is to have a RS Soph OR a new hot shot recruit as the starter of an experienced and deep offense in '15. I think Jones knows he needs to prove himself along the way... but really has to make his mark in '15.

I don't think he treats any game much less a season as "throw away" but he also has to have a strategy of how to use resources to become successful as soon as possible. That could force decisions that are better for the future than now.
 
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Worley won the quarterback competition by default, i.e. largely because he was the least prone to making catastrophic mistakes. I personally believe that Butch continues to evaluate the position on a week-by-week basis in search of answers to the same fundamental question: Who gives us the best opportunity to win THIS week?

If progression of one or both freshmen reaches a tipping point to where the answer is no longer Justin Worley, he will make the change. Even if Worley holds the position throughout this season, I fully expect Butch to open the quarterback competition back up and I would be very surprised if one of the freshmen does not beat him out by next spring or, at the very latest, the beginning of next season.
 
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GrowVol said:
Worley wont start 2014, and we will see one of the other QBs transfer.
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As long as the two QBs are close to each other, I don't see one transferring...Yet. Ferg seems like a Vol to the bone and Dobbs is from N. Jawja. But if one clearly separates from the other, or a ringer gets picked up on the recruiting trail, then all bets are off.

Peterman may be headed to another school though...and he is much better than the Florida game...but he isn't Aaron Murray, Mariota or Connor Shaw either.
 
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GrowVol said:
Worley wont start 2014, and we will see one of the other QBs transfer.
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IMO, Worley will start next year and Peterman will transfer before next fall. Both of the Fr have a good shot at becoming the starter in '15 or possibly next year. Peterman probably needs a new start.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
If progression of one or both freshmen reaches a tipping point to where the answer is no longer Justin Worley, he will make the change.
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Agree with this but....
Even if Worley holds the position throughout this season, I fully expect Butch to open the quarterback competition back up and I would be very surprised if one of the freshmen does not beat him out by next spring or, at the very latest, the beginning of next season.
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I disagree with this. I believe if he manages to finish this season as the starter it will be because he has played himself into a more secure position. I think one or both of the Fr will be "ready" at around the same point Bray was.

Mizzou may have the worst D on UT's schedule. Though a road game where the weather could already be cold, it would be a good opportunity to make a move to a Fr. Faurot Field isn't exactly the most intimidating venue in the SEC either.

At the latest, I would expect one of the Fr to start Vandy if Worley doesn't come along.... but then again, I am one of the few who isn't already writing Worley off.
 
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It is entirely possible that Dobbs does not transfer even if Ferguson ultimately won the starting job. Josh's major, if I recall correctly, is aerospace engineering and that isn't a common degree program.
 
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sjt18 said:
Agree with this but....

I disagree with this. I believe if he manages to finish this season as the starter it will be because he has played himself into a more secure position. I think one or both of the Fr will be "ready" at around the same point Bray was.

Mizzou may have the worst D on UT's schedule. Though a road game where the weather could already be cold, it would be a good opportunity to make a move to a Fr. Faurot Field isn't exactly the most intimidating venue in the SEC either.

At the latest, I would expect one of the Fr to start Vandy if Worley doesn't come along.... but then again, I am one of the few who isn't already writing Worley off.
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I hope you are correct. I was indeed working from the premise that Justin does not exhibit significant progress. For him to show marked improvement and maintain the job next year, thus allowing both freshmen to redshirt, would, in my opinion, be the best scenario for all parties concerned.

I wonder if Justin has sustained some minor injury to his throwing arm/shoulder that has not been reported. I remember last year, during the Vanderbilt broadcast, that they were comparing the arm strength of Bray and Worley. Timing both of them via radar gun, they stated that Bray was consistently clocking out at roughly 55 mph, while Justin threw at 51 mph, with "anything over 50 mph considered NFL arm strength." If my hypothesis is true, it would help to explain the underwhelming arm strength that Justin has exhibited this year.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
It is entirely possible that Dobbs does not transfer even if Ferguson ultimately won the starting job. Josh's major, if I recall correctly, is aerospace engineering and that isn't a common degree program.
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Correct. His family has made it clear that his education is of first priority. I also think they like having him fairly close, and I would bet that had a lot to do with him ending up here. Arizona State is an awfully long way away. Were he to transfer, ASU or Stanford are the only places I think he would go, but I just don't see it happening.

Dobbs is a very talented athlete, but with how smart he is I have no doubt he'll be quite successful even if it's not in football.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
I wonder if Justin has sustained some minor injury to his throwing arm/shoulder that has not been reported. I remember last year, during the Vanderbilt broadcast, that they were comparing the arm strength of Bray and Worley. Timing both of them via radar gun, they stated that Bray was consistently clocking out at roughly 55 mph, while Justin threw at 51 mph, with "anything over 50 mph considered NFL arm strength." If my hypothesis is true, it would help to explain the underwhelming arm strength that Justin has exhibited this year.
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I don't think so. I truly believe he is playing apprehensive because there is a lack of trust between him and the WR's. I think he was holding back.

That's also why I think HE took a pretty significant step forward on Saturday. The INT intended for Pig was a bad read. Had it not been... it was a perfect pass that would have hit him in the end zone and in stride. The pass to Smith was next to perfect and was thrown as he came out of his stutter. The pass to Croom was nicely thrown.

Even the other INT intended for Pig was thrown because Pig did not show up where Worley thought he would be. Jones blamed Pig on the spot. Worley defended Pig and said they read the coverage differently so Pig sat down on the route... I think he was being too kind having watched the play several times.

My point is that he was halting and hesitating through the first 3 games. He did it less vs UF and even less vs USA. Now they just need to clean up the VERY fixable problems that are left.


PS- I think he still has some sort of hang up with the short underneath throw. He needs to fix that right quick. They need that to loosen up the running lanes.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't think so. I truly believe he is playing apprehensive because there is a lack of trust between him and the WR's. I think he was holding back.

That's also why I think HE took a pretty significant step forward on Saturday. The INT intended for Pig was a bad read. Had it not been... it was a perfect pass that would have hit him in the end zone and in stride. The pass to Smith was next to perfect and was thrown as he came out of his stutter. The pass to Croom was nicely thrown.

Even the other INT intended for Pig was thrown because Pig did not show up where Worley thought he would be. Jones blamed Pig on the spot. Worley defended Pig and said they read the coverage differently so Pig sat down on the route... I think he was being too kind having watched the play several times.

My point is that he was halting and hesitating through the first 3 games. He did it less vs UF and even less vs USA. Now they just need to clean up the VERY fixable problems that are left.


PS- I think he still has some sort of hang up with the short underneath throw. He needs to fix that right quick. They need that to loosen up the running lanes.
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That is entirely plausible and indeed probable. There have been a number of pass completions where Justin stepped into the throw and truly rifled the ball. For whatever reason, Justin has been entirely too prone to throw off of his back foot. Perhaps that is the product of inexperience and assuming he is under greater duress than he really is. Poor pass protection, however, has not been a problem. In addition to the short underneath throws, I would love to see him using his backs more on high-percentage, good old-fashioned flare passes to get them out in space. Anything to move the chains, get him in a rhythm and improve his overall confidence.
 
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I know jack squat about football and its strategery. With that out of the way..if you want depth why have two RS QB's? Wouldn't it make sense going into next year to have a Senior, Junior, Sophmore, RS Freshman, Freshman..
 
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Worley will play us through the tough teams and a fr will take over the last few games just like I have been saying since the summer. No way he starts next year.
 
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GrowVol said:
Worley wont start 2014, and we will see one of the other QBs transfer.
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You don't know that. We all said the same with Cromp Daddy and then the light bulb went on with him 4 or 5 games in.... Worley could be doing the same. Not saying it will happen because it is more likely to NOT happen.

However, we don't know until we cross that road. For now its Worley and Butch has a great reason for that. Let it play out. I guarantee you that if Worley pulls out 3 more wins and we by chance win a bowl game or lose it close, Worley will still be 12 games into a new system. That is 12 games more vs SEC action than our freshmen. The fact is that WE JUST DON'T KNOW. Look at the greats. They didn't just click game 1.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Which is exactly why I said not saying he will do this in my reply. Just shows that Butch has a plan and can utilize guys in other positions if needed.
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Sure. Just FYI, Kelce was already playing Tight End under Kelly in 2009. He just also played some Wildcat QB.
 
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I'm not seeing the Worley playing next year approach. At this point I don't see him finishing the year if either Freshman is progressing. I've watched him and he can make throws against weaker opponents when there is no pressure. That negates him being effective against 1/2 to 2/3 of our opponents though. UGA is going to bring a ton of pressure or at least attempt to. We'll see how he does.
 
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