What is CBJ's end game with QBs? Talking 2014

#26
#26
DD4ME said:
I'm not seeing the Worley playing next year approach. At this point I don't see him finishing the year if either Freshman is progressing. I've watched him and he can make throws against weaker opponents when there is no pressure. That negates him being effective against 1/2 to 2/3 of our opponents though. UGA is going to bring a ton of pressure or at least attempt to. We'll see how he does.
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For some reason I like that kid. I'm pulling for him and hope he does well. I've seen no evidence that he will but there's always hope.
 
#27
#27
NashVOL93 said:
Correct. His family has made it clear that his education is of first priority. I also think they like having him fairly close, and I would bet that had a lot to do with him ending up here. Arizona State is an awfully long way away. Were he to transfer, ASU or Stanford are the only places I think he would go, but I just don't see it happening.

Dobbs is a very talented athlete, but with how smart he is I have no doubt he'll be quite successful even if it's not in football.
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Not saying it will happen but Georgia Tech has an excellent engineering program right in his backyard....
 
#28
#28
Volosaurus rex said:
It is entirely possible that Dobbs does not transfer even if Ferguson ultimately won the starting job. Josh's major, if I recall correctly, is aerospace engineering and that isn't a common degree program.
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I think that you are correct. I believe that one of the reasons he chose UT over Arizona State was UT's aerospace engineering program was more impressive to him.
 
#29
#29
volstuckinNC said:
Not saying it will happen but Georgia Tech has an excellent engineering program right in his backyard....
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Very true. I forgot all about them, and they do have aerospace. He would do very well in their offense as well.

I still don't think it happens, though.
 
#30
#30
GrowVol said:
Worley wont start 2014, and we will see one of the other QBs transfer.
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Agreed...Worley will not start next year. He simply doesn't give his team the best chance to win. And yes...one of the two freshmen will transfer after the QB battle is settled. They are both too good to be content to be a backup.
 
#31
#31
Volosaurus rex said:
Worley won the quarterback competition by default, i.e. largely because he was the least prone to making catastrophic mistakes. I personally believe that Butch continues to evaluate the position on a week-by-week basis in search of answers to the same fundamental question: Who gives us the best opportunity to win THIS week?

If progression of one or both freshmen reaches a tipping point to where the answer is no longer Justin Worley, he will make the change. Even if Worley holds the position throughout this season, I fully expect Butch to open the quarterback competition back up and I would be very surprised if one of the freshmen does not beat him out by next spring or, at the very latest, the beginning of next season.
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Totally agree, Volosauras. Butch isn't a big dummy, he's got his plan worked out, now all he needs is the talent to work his plan.:bash:
 
#32
#32
1truevol said:
Agreed...Worley will not start next year. He simply doesn't give his team the best chance to win. And yes...one of the two freshmen will transfer after the QB battle is settled. They are both too good to be content to be a backup.
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If Worley isn't gonna start next year it would make absolutely no sense in redshirting either this year or at least not both.
 
#33
#33
Killervol said:
Totally agree, Volosauras. Butch isn't a big dummy, he's got his plan worked out, now all he needs is the talent to work his plan.:bash:
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So y'all think 2 unproven qbs without a lick of playing time are gonna come in next year & wow us & take the starting job? Lol ok. Redshirting is a luxury & one we don't have right now. Anybody that's ready to play & help us win should be. How quickly you gurus forget the peterman debacle.
 
#34
#34
govols/cc said:
So y'all think 2 unproven qbs without a lick of playing time are gonna come in next year & wow us & take the starting job? Lol ok. Redshirting is a luxury & one we don't have right now. Anybody that's ready to play & help us win should be. How quickly you gurus forget the peterman debacle.
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As it appears right now and based on CBJ's actions the ONLY way a freshman sees the field this year is if Worley gets injured during UGA or SC game.

I think CBJ is sticking with what he's got for now and hoping it improves itself. This will continue through the rest of the season.

Reshirting both Freshman gives them an entire YEAR to condition themselves, learn the routes and playbook, and get coached up by the staff. If both are redshirted they both get 4 eligible years to play starting 2014.
 
#36
#36
Don't you guys know that it's the wr's fault and not the QB. Hell, Butch even mentioned it so it must be true. :rolleyes:
 
#41
#41
coug said:
Obviously CBJ is trying as hard as he can to save both Ferguson and Dobbs until next year when more of his own recruits come on board. Say we get to that point, what does he do with Worley, send him packing? Do you see CBJ keeping Worley starter through his senior year? Does he start mixing in Dobbs and Ferguson into the games and slowly fade out Worley? I guess 2014 is when the real QB battle starts?
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IMHO...If we can keep Ferguson and Dobbs in redshirts (which, by now, it should be evident Butch wants to) then next year he'll open up the competition. One of the two freshmen will be the QB. Then Worley, Dobbs, or Peterman will be backup QB, and so on. It's quite possible someone will transfer.
GO VOLS!
 
#42
#42
I would not be surprised at all if one of our freshman is playing by the Mizzou game.

If Worley keeps up te pace at which he's been turning the ball over, Butch will make a change.

However I also wouldn't be surprised to see Worley close out the season if he gets through the next three games with few or no turnovers.

EDIT: Either way I don't see Worley as the starter next season.
 
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#43
#43
Worley will probably start the rest of this year and next unless he sustains an injury. Link? You say! Show me link that he won't. I can show you several CBJ interviews that make my point instead of him being pulled for a true FR. I guess it could be coach talk, but I don't think so.
 
#44
#44
KingtUT said:
Don't you guys know that it's the wr's fault and not the QB. Hell, Butch even mentioned it so it must be true. :rolleyes:
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makes one wonder if the wr's are tired of catching the blame for not having a chance at catching the ball
 
#45
#45
KingtUT said:
Don't you guys know that it's the wr's fault and not the QB. Hell, Butch even mentioned it so it must be true. :rolleyes:
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No. You're right. Jones is lying through his teeth. The WR's are playing perfect football. Their inexperience is no factor in the problems at all. They never miss assignments. They never miss reads. They never quit on patterns. They never run routes wrong. They never run the wrong routes. They never drop catchable balls. They never fail to make plays on balls. They are never beaten by experienced DB's because of their inexperience. They're perfect....

The only problem with the passing game is the QB- Which is why replacing him with another guy worked out so well.
 
#46
#46
We need to remember this thread when this all plays out. Some of you are making some bold predictions and assumptions.

For instance, even if Worley isn't that good... we do NOT know if either of the freshmen are actually better. If being good in HS is the "measure".... then Worley IS the best of the bunch. He likely played the best competition and had by far the best stats.
 
#47
#47
Butch would rather Worley show improvement than play a freshman. Plus he would have to figure out which freshman to choose without a proper QB battle.

Best case scenario Worley plays this year and next. One of the freshmen plays as a junior. I think we go to a bowl in this case

Worst case. Worley plays so bad that he must be replaced by a true freshman. I dont think we make a bowl in this scenario.
 
#48
#48
govols/cc said:
If Worley isn't gonna start next year it would make absolutely no sense in redshirting either this year or at least not both.
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It saves a year of eligibility for the player. If the coaches think they're not ready...they don't want that player to waste a year.
 
#49
#49
coug said:
As it appears right now and based on CBJ's actions the ONLY way a freshman sees the field this year is if Worley gets injured during UGA or SC game.

I think CBJ is sticking with what he's got for now and hoping it improves itself. This will continue through the rest of the season.

Reshirting both Freshman gives them an entire YEAR to condition themselves, learn the routes and playbook, and get coached up by the staff. If both are redshirted they both get 4 eligible years to play starting 2014.
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Yes but it goes back to a point I made before that Butch is prepared for next year to be a wash like this year. Worley doesn't cut it. Peterman sucks. 2 other redshirt freshman without a single live snap. Who knows they both may be worse than Worley or Peterman.
 
#50
#50
CBJ had repeatedly said that he'll give the freshmen their shot when he feels they're ready and I believe him. After all, he thought Peterman was ready and have him a shot. Sure, it didn't work out too well, but Butch has shown repeatedly that he's not afraid to make a QB change. He made one at Cincy 2/3 of the way through the season with a 6-2 record.

The question then becomes: at what point does Butch begin to feel that a frosh (or RS Fr) gives us the best chance to win?

IMO this will be determined by two things.
1. Will one of the freshmen progress quickly enough that Butch HAS to give him a shot?
2. Will Worley continue to turn the ball over and be ineffective to the extent that Butch HAS to give someone else a look?

I don't think anyone would disagree that our ideal situation would be for the light to come on in Worley's head and he is able to keep hold of the job to the extent that neither freshmen can pass him up and we finish out the year with a bowl game.

However, we've seen no evidence that this will be the case. Butch wants to win and get us a bowl game. That's the goal for year one. And if Worley continues to turn the ball over at the rate he has the past two games, Butch will pretty much have to give one of the freshmen a shot.

I seriously doubt he wants to RS both so badly that he refuses to play one that would give us a better chance to get to a bowl game.
 
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