What is the line between a legitimate religion and crackpots?, Also what makes one gr

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#26
I think for rational people they get to age where they question what they believe and why they believe it.

I know I did and it strengthened my faith.

I think it is very natural to get to that point and is part of growing up.
 
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JZVOL said:
I think for rational people they get to age where they question what they believe and why they believe it.

I know I did and it strengthened my faith.

I think it is very natural to get to that point and is part of growing up.
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I agree, as a fairly new follower of Christ, (about 4-5 years) I have gone through times when I had to dig a little deeper and really try and understand the how's and why's of what I believe. It does spiritually grow you and you continue to grow you faith. I have seen first hand the grace and mercy of God and the forgiveness of the lord Jesus and without I would still be lost and trying to fill the emptiness with anything and everything.
 
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It is not about the belief itself, it is about the reasons one has for the belief. There are good reasons and there are bad reasons. With religion, it always comes down to a matter of faith. Religion is the only area of our discourse where faith is a good reason, with anything else people talk or debate about, evidence is the winning driver.

This, BPV, is why ID is not taught in schools....at least not science classes. If it is to be brought up, it belongs in a philosophy, sociology, or theology class. It simply doesn't fit the criteria to be considered legitimate science. If it is, then we should make it free for students to study alchemy and astrology as real science.
 
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I do not mean this as any kind of slight or attack. But many on this board are not only intelligent but seem to take pride in it. I wonder if in over thinking the issue, disecting all the tangents and possibilities we overlook the point. Meaning you should accept Christ as a little child, with simple faith...it is God's word, therefore it is fact...period.
 
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dan4vols said:
I do not mean this as any kind of slight or attack. But many on this board are not only intelligent but seem to take pride in it. I wonder if in over thinking the issue, disecting all the tangents and possibilities we overlook the point. Meaning you should accept Christ as a little child, with simple faith...it is God's word, therefore it is fact...period.
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who you call'n a child
 
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dan4vols said:
I do not mean this as any kind of slight or attack. But many on this board are not only intelligent but seem to take pride in it. I wonder if in over thinking the issue, disecting all the tangents and possibilities we overlook the point. Meaning you should accept Christ as a little child, with simple faith...it is God's word, therefore it is fact...period.
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Any system where it is not only a requirement to construct beliefs like this, but it is considered a virtue, is no system I want to subscribe to.
 
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rjd970 said:
Any system where it is not only a requirement to construct beliefs like this, but it is considered a virtue, is no system I want to subscribe to.
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many people find it hard to believe that salvation is just that easy...the passage he refers to is only an illustration...God accepts "grown up" Faith in him also
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
You missed the entire point of the passage.

:nono:
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My point is that with any other area of debate, rational people will not accept anything on insufficient evidence...yet this is the lifeblood of religion. Otherwise, faith wouldn't be needed.
 
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rjd970 said:
My point is that with any other area of debate, rational people will not accept anything on insufficient evidence...yet this is the lifeblood of religion. Otherwise, faith wouldn't be needed.
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That explains a lot on how you feel about people of faith.

:hi:

Why do you even bother to talk about it when you hold contempt for us?

:blink:
 
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rjd970 said:
My point is that with any other area of debate, rational people will not accept anything on insufficient evidence...yet this is the lifeblood of religion. Otherwise, faith wouldn't be needed.
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Then how do you explain swallowing Obama's empty rhetoric hook, line, and sinker?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
That explains a lot on how you feel about people of faith.

:hi:

Why do you even bother to talk about it when you hold contempt for us?

:blink:
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I don't have contempt for believers. In fact, many are very rational and intelligent. Present company included.

But faith allows a person to be sufficiently educated enough to build an atomic weapon and still believe in the metaphysics of martyrdom. That may be extreme, but the point is most people rely on a set of criteria for forming beliefs Mon-Saturda...and then a completely different set on Sunday.
 
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rjd970 said:
I don't have contempt for believers. In fact, many are very rational and intelligent. Present company included.

But faith allows a person to be sufficiently educated enough to build an atomic weapon and still believe in the metaphysics of martyrdom. That may be extreme, but the point is most people rely on a set of criteria for forming beliefs Mon-Saturda...and then a completely different set on Sunday.
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In short, hypocrites.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
so is it cultish to eliminate one and not the other, even though each theory is littered with holes?
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No. I am not saying one or the other should be eliminated. They should be taught in a setting that is appropriate for each. As I posted above, ID should be taught in Sunday school where it belongs. If one does not want his/her children to be taught evolution the kids should go to a church school that doesn't teach it.
 
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temat said:
No. I am not saying one or the other should be eliminated. They should be taught in a setting that is appropriate for each. As I posted above, ID should be taught in Sunday school where it belongs. If one does not want his/her children to be taught evolution the kids should go to a church school that doesn't teach it.
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Why teach one without the other, neither can be presented as fact?

What is the harm in teaching both and challenging kids to decide for themselves?
 
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i am glad my children were taught evolution, they are smart enough to know that it just could not have happened that way
 
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temat said:
No. I am not saying one or the other should be eliminated. They should be taught in a setting that is appropriate for each. As I posted above, ID should be taught in Sunday school where it belongs. If one does not want his/her children to be taught evolution the kids should go to a church school that doesn't teach it.
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again, what differentiates which should be taught where? both are fraught with problems and they aren't in the least mutually exclusive.
 
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