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the issue is our current understanding of science doesn't include anything to say something outside of matter and or energy couldn't create matter or energy. so there isn't a scientific argument to be made either way.

it makes sense for matter and energy to have a timeline, a beginning and or end. entropy, momentum, and so forth. all or at least most of our physical "laws" require change to get differences. inert matter or energy isn't going to suddenly decide one day to start the process of creating the universe across however many time lines its happened. something, or someone, outside of matter and energy wouldn't have to have a similar beginning, or end. or again we have no scientific argument either way. but they/it could still influence matter/energy as that initial spark without invalidating any rules of science as we understand it.

science still has several questions where a "creator" fits. call it a hypothesis. but for as unscientific as it is the Bible offers a very scientific explanation for how things came to be, and to a people far removed from that level of science at the time. to me that understanding represents at least the possibility of a real creator.

yeah the specifics of the bibles creation story don't make a lot of sense. but in a simplified version, its dead on. and simplified in a manner that makes sense to explain it to a group of people far removed from the science of those discoveries.

at first there was nothing, and everything was void. sounds like pre-big bang
then something changed, and God said let there be light. the big bang explosion would have been pretty bright with all the hot gasses.
god separated the light from the darkness. stars were the first celestial bodies to form.
then god separated the earth from the void. this fits in with the accepted accretion theory.
god then separated the lands from the seas. at various points the earth has been completely covered with water, and from a singular vantage point one watching the earth and plate tectonics would watch land rise from the seas.
god then brought forth life, in the form of plants. thats pretty consistent with evolution. especially considering the first life didn't move around a whole lot, and it wasn't until pretty recently that we understood coral reefs to be animals and not plants, so I think objectively you can see some confusion that they weren't the exact modern plants we see today.
god then separated the light in the sky into two, one for the day, one for the night. we know the moon formed well after the earth. now whether or not it happened after basic life/plant life formed who knows, so I will count this against creation story (1)
then god brought forth life from the oceans. I think evolution says complex animal life did begin in the seas.
then god brought forth the birds, evolution doesn't really support birds before land animals so this is the second wrong (2).
then god brought forth the land animals, this fits.
then lastly god brought forth humans, considering we evolved from the land animals this seems pretty spot on.

the biggest complaints are typically the times, everything was done in 6 days, obviously thats not correct, but considering the days in the creation story started before the sun or the earth, its pretty clear those days aren't the almost 24hr days we think of. and it also plays pretty well with the teachings on God, about his time being different than ours, so a day to him isn't a 24hr period, seems like a reasonable translation.

so really the only two wrongs in the creation story was the first formation of life being before the moon or not. I could be pedantic about this point, but I am willing to grant it as a wrong. and then birds before land creatures. considering everything else that is relatively minor for stone age people to just randomly think up. that level of understanding from prehistoric times till now indicates some level of knowledge a rando wouldn't have. other cultures have creation stories that get kinda close. but I don't know of any that get as particularly close, yet admittedly flawed, as the bible, so it wasn't even some shared understanding across all of humanity. that understanding seems to be evidence of a higher power. now is that higher power a bearded man in the clouds? probably not.

Great post. In several different ways. Well done.
 

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