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Originally posted by Tnwoodsman@Nov 7, 2005 9:03 PM
Well I have been through a lot of the ups and downs having followed Vol football since 1951. That includes two good seasons with the General in 51 and 52 followed shortly by a miserable season under Harvey Robinson in 54 (4-6). Then in 56 Bowden Wyatt and Johnny Majors led us back to the top echelon (10-1). Then another slide to 4-6 in 58. That was the year I saw the Vols fail to get a single first down against Auburn. Not manygames were televised then but this was on national tv... and the Vols never stretched the chains..Talk about no offense this year... at least we got a first down in every game. Not sure anything was worse than that 58 season where we even lost to the University of Chattanooga. Then we played mediocre football for the next 8 years with 4-6, 5-5, 6-4 type seasons. Finally in 66 Doug Dickey gave us some 8 and 9 win seasons. The early 70's saw some 10 win seasons with Bill Battle using Dickey's recruits. Another slide started about 74 and continued through the early 80's with Battle and Majors until Majors finally gave us a few 9 and 10 win seasons (mixed with some 5 & 7 win seasons) starting about 85. But somewhere mixed in there was an 11 year stetch we didn't beat Alabama. The 90's with majors and Fulmer were sprinkled with 8, 9, 10, 11 and 13 win seasons. So I have seen many downs. In answer to your question the losing hurts me just as much. I give you this scenario: If we were 1-9 heading to our 10th game against USC, I would be expecting a win. I never liked Johnny Majors but he had a saying: "We don't fight any windmills". He claimed to expect to win every game but history shows Alabama was his "windmill". No Vol fan will be happy with less than 10 wins but it is going to happen occasionally... let's just hope we can right the ship before it is a prolonged losing stretch.
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Nov 8, 2005 10:43 PM
The Power T will fly, Fridays in the fall will always be "Wear Orange Day," and come spring, the Orange and White Sea Ray will return to the blue (-ish, er, greenish. . . .brown. . . .ah, screw it) waters of Fort Loudon. Oh, and I can't wait to watch the Rose Bowl, loving every second of the fact that Alabama will be sitting at home. How's that?
GO VOLS
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Says it all.Originally posted by Tnwoodsman@Nov 7, 2005 8:03 PM
Well I have been through a lot of the ups and downs having followed Vol football since 1951. That includes two good seasons with the General in 51 and 52 followed shortly by a miserable season under Harvey Robinson in 54 (4-6). Then in 56 Bowden Wyatt and Johnny Majors led us back to the top echelon (10-1). Then another slide to 4-6 in 58. That was the year I saw the Vols fail to get a single first down against Auburn. Not manygames were televised then but this was on national tv... and the Vols never stretched the chains..Talk about no offense this year... at least we got a first down in every game. Not sure anything was worse than that 58 season where we even lost to the University of Chattanooga. Then we played mediocre football for the next 8 years with 4-6, 5-5, 6-4 type seasons. Finally in 66 Doug Dickey gave us some 8 and 9 win seasons. The early 70's saw some 10 win seasons with Bill Battle using Dickey's recruits. Another slide started about 74 and continued through the early 80's with Battle and Majors until Majors finally gave us a few 9 and 10 win seasons (mixed with some 5 & 7 win seasons) starting about 85. But somewhere mixed in there was an 11 year stetch we didn't beat Alabama. The 90's with majors and Fulmer were sprinkled with 8, 9, 10, 11 and 13 win seasons. So I have seen many downs. In answer to your question the losing hurts me just as much. I give you this scenario: If we were 1-9 heading to our 10th game against USC, I would be expecting a win. I never liked Johnny Majors but he had a saying: "We don't fight any windmills". He claimed to expect to win every game but history shows Alabama was his "windmill". No Vol fan will be happy with less than 10 wins but it is going to happen occasionally... let's just hope we can right the ship before it is a prolonged losing stretch.
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Originally posted by jakez4ut@Nov 10, 2005 11:28 AM
The opinion of UT Football..hmm. Good topic. I got in to a discussion with someone about this before the season started...and even though this year has sucked big time, when you look back over the years, and hopefully years to come, there is one thing that you alwasy have to come back to..."ARE WE IN CONTENTION FOR OUR CONF. TITLE ON A REGULAR BASIS?". Which really means, are we competitive with the top teams in the conf. regularly. Now, going back to 2000 to now, there is a definite drop off for us against the rest of the big boys of the league. But what you have to consider is this, are we as capable of beating those teams as they are of beating us? Usually the answer it YES. YOu can't win 'em all, though it would be nice.
Last year was a perfect example. We were not expected to do anything but finish behind UF and UGA. And at the end of the year, no one was all that suprised though that we won the EAST. There's a reason for that.
While we all have justified gripes with the way this season was handled and all have differing opinions of what is to come in the future, there's still one thing that cannot be overlooked. Year in and year out we are usually in the discussion of winning the division and/or conference.
And at the end of the day, that's really all you can ask for as a fan. i'd rather be in the discussion, or be a factor, than not be heard from at all, like the MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy's, USC, and Kentucky's of the world.
Let's face it, over the past 5 years, this conference has developed in to a 6 way race for the title every year, and with the addition of Spurrier at USC, and based on what he'd done down there this year, you'd have to think they'll be in the mix as well in the future...
No team has repeated as conf. champs since we did it in 97 & 98, right?. And i think it will be a while before you see a team come out and dominate like UF did in the 90's.
So, overall i'm still happy with the status of this program just not recent performance of this program.
Which could lead to the direction of the program..which is a nother important part of this equation...are you going up, down, staying still? While i wouldn't say we've acheived the same success we did in the 90's by any stretch, we have won the East twice since 2000, we've played in Bowl games every year, so w/out a BCS berth or a conf. champ in the last 5-7 years, i would lean RIGHT NOW to saying we're staying still. Now, if we have a losing record this year, and follow up next year with another crapola season like this, we will have done a complete 180, and going down hill fast. But if you really want to see a team that was heading down hill...go to Lincoln, NE and State College, PA (at least until this year), and Tuscaloosa, AL (also at least until this year), and South Bend, IN (also until this year). All of those hit VERY rocky times, much rockier than we have seen thus far (barring a losing season or two!.
So until we hit the bottom, there's still a chance to turn it around w/out having to go thru what those afformentioned programs had/have to endure. :cross:
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