What is your position on gov't....??????

[VolInMn]

The Government should be used for national defense, a backup for state governments and protecting our interest abroad.

beyond that we have too much.

What about the power grid, the roads, food and drug safety, currency, the mail system, workplace safety, etc.?

 

[MG1968]

Article I, Section 8

 

[MontereyVol]

What about
the power grid = States and private industry
the roads,= States
food and drug safety,= states and consumers
currency,= got me there
workplace safety = Industry and workers
etc.?

I think the states should have more power to govern themselves.

 

[paul1454]

I agree with MontereyVol but would add that the government should cover economic externalities - i.e., those that are not properly dealt with in the free market economy. Even the most conservative economists typically believe this point. Other than that, keep those DC slimeballs out of my paycheck (that applies to republicans and democrats - they've both been equally bad as of late).

 

[VolInMn]

I think the states should have more power to govern themselves.

Your idea sounds vaguely like the EU.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

What about the power grid, the roads, food and drug safety, currency, the mail system, workplace safety, etc.?

Hmmm... in short, you want the tax payer to pay for the failures of every thing above?

A group of common street whores would do a better job than the current fools who run these miserable gov't ventures.

 

[VolInMn]

Hmmm... in short, you want the tax payer to pay for the failures of every thing above?

A group of common street whores would do a better job than the current fools who run these miserable gov't ventures.

I'm open to hearing your alternatives.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Do you hate private industry this much?

 

[bam15]

I think the states should have more power to govern themselves.

Devolution does not work, and the Articles of Confederation is living proof of that. This argument is no different then Anti-Federalists and Federalists and I'm glad to say that the Federalists came out on top.

Your solutions to VolInMN's questions are inefficient, if it weren't for Progressive administrations our food safety, and workplace policies would still be laughable.

In reality Republicans don't really believe in devolving power to the states. The truth is that they believe in comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted, and where the state is in a better position to do that, they're in favor of states' rights, and where the fed government is in a better position to do that, they're for federal rights. One example of this is securities laws, the ones that deal with the sale of stocks and bonds. Some interest groups thought it might be easier if they didn't have to comply with state securities laws, which are usually more strict then federal law,s and the Republicans were all too happy to oblige. They also did the same thing with punitive damages.

But of course if you honestly believe that the Government is too big and too powerful, perhaps you should propagate these ideas to senior citizens and tell them Medicare and Social Security should be eliminated. Address a group of crime victims and tell them that the Bureau of Prisons is too large. Tell the victims of Hurricanes, and Earthquakes that FEMA should be eliminated. What about the Army Corps of Engineers? The National Institute of Health? The Centers for Disease Control?

 

[bam15]

Biased poll is biased.

Absolutely, I voted on this poll entirely on economic affairs as I find my beliefs fall upon John Maynard Keynes theories. For example, I believe the government should stay out of our private lives, and conservatives believe the opposite, and I'm sure they have no problem with domestic spying and wiretapping. Either way both favor government intervention in one way or the other. And in reality conservatives of the past have been entirely hypocritical of their beliefs in terms of economic affairs. Tax cuts for billionaires, 2 wars, a massive increase in military spending, and a prescription drug bill that was a massive failure doesn't qualify as smaller government.

 

[VolInMn]

Do you hate private industry this much?

This is your alternative? Seems to lack substance...

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Devolution does not work, and the Articles of Confederation is living proof of that. This argument is no different then Anti-Federalists and Federalists and I'm glad to say that the Federalists came out on top.

Your solutions to VolInMN's questions are inefficient, if it weren't for Progressive administrations our food safety, and workplace policies would still be laughable.

In reality Republicans don't really believe in devolving power to the states. The truth is that they believe in comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted, and where the state is in a better position to do that, they're in favor of states' rights, and where the fed government is in a better position to do that, they're for federal rights. One example of this is securities laws, the ones that deal with the sale of stocks and bonds. Some interest groups thought it might be easier if they didn't have to comply with state securities laws, which are usually more strict then federal law,s and the Republicans were all too happy to oblige. They also did the same thing with punitive damages.

But of course if you honestly believe that the Government is too big and too powerful, perhaps you should propagate these ideas to senior citizens and tell them Medicare and Social Security should be eliminated. Address a group of crime victims and tell them that the Bureau of Prisons is too large. Tell the victims of Hurricanes, and Earthquakes that FEMA should be eliminated. What about the Army Corps of Engineers? The National Institute of Health? The Centers for Disease Control?

Finally, a brave gov't is more person showed up.

Tell us again how wonderful gov't is.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Absolutely, I voted on this poll entirely on economic affairs as I find my beliefs fall upon John Maynard Keynes theories. For example, I believe the government should stay out of our private lives, and conservatives believe the opposite, and I'm sure they have no problem with domestic spying and wiretapping. Either way both favor government intervention in one way or the other. And in reality conservatives of the past have been entirely hypocritical of their beliefs in terms of economic affairs. Tax cuts for billionaires, 2 wars, a massive increase in military spending, and a prescription drug bill that was a massive failure doesn't qualify as smaller government.

LOL!

You are freakin' funny!

Do you believe in any thing of than marginalization?

lol:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

This is your alternative? Seems to lack substance...

Why, because Barney Frank would not be in charge of healthcare and every thing would run better and not a 10 billion dollar loss that I have to pay for?

:banghead2:

 

[paul1454]

Absolutely, I voted on this poll entirely on economic affairs as I find my beliefs fall upon John Maynard Keynes theories. For example, I believe the government should stay out of our private lives, and conservatives believe the opposite, and I'm sure they have no problem with domestic spying and wiretapping. Either way both favor government intervention in one way or the other. And in reality conservatives of the past have been entirely hypocritical of their beliefs in terms of economic affairs. Tax cuts for billionaires, 2 wars, a massive increase in military spending, and a prescription drug bill that was a massive failure doesn't qualify as smaller government.

That is not what Keynes was talking about when he argued for a limited government involvement with the public. He is talking about limited government economic involvement. Most specifically taxes and the economic burden of deadweight loss. I will say, however, a large assumption upon which Keynes based his theories was cast into doubt with the stagflation of the '80s - which under Keynesian economics, as represented by the Phillips curve, cannot exist.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

That is not what Keynes was talking about when he argued for a limited government involvement with the public. He is talking about limited government economic involvement. Most specifically taxes and the economic burden of deadweight loss. I will say, however, a large assumption upon which Keynes based his theories was cast into doubt with the stagflation of the '80s - which under Keynesian economics, as represented by the Phillips curve, cannot exist.

+1

Gov't is not the answer!

The people of this country will always be the answer!

:hi:

 

[bam15]

That is not what Keynes was talking about when he argued for a limited government involvement with the public. He is talking about limited government economic involvement. Most specifically taxes and the economic burden of deadweight loss. I will say, however, a large assumption upon which Keynes based his theories was cast into doubt with the stagflation of the '80s - which under Keynesian economics, as represented by the Phillips curve, cannot exist.

Sorry, perhaps I mislead you with the way I attempted to get my point across. I was talking about social intervention rather then economic intervention, and how Democrats favor economic intervention over social and Republican vice versa. Keynes talked about heavy government involvement in terms of crisis [Recession, Depression] so you can see a direct correlation between President Obama's policies and Keynes theories. These theories have been proven efficient and that is evident by FDR's solution to the Great Depression and Hoover's Laissez-Faire economic policies that Republicans subscribe to today.

 

[MG1968]

FDR's solution to the Great Depression was efficient??

put down that left-handed cigarette and step away from your keyboard

 

[VolInMn]

Why, because Barney Frank would not be in charge of healthcare and every thing would run better and not a 10 billion dollar loss that I have to pay for?

:banghead2:

No, more because you just didn't answer the question at all. :hi:

 

[lumberjack4]

The solution to the Great Depression was WWII. I'm sorry if you think FDR did anything, but make it worse.

 

[bam15]

The solution to the Great Depression was WWII. I'm sorry if you think FDR did anything, but make it worse.

What was WWII? In blunt terms massive public works project with a heavy increase in spending [Keynes]. If the FDR administration had spent as much rebuilding America as what the government was willing to spend in WWII, then we would have recovered completely in the 30's with no war required. That is essentially why I found the first stimulus not to be large enough, and America essentially requiring a second stimulus.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Sorry, perhaps I mislead you with the way I attempted to get my point across. I was talking about social intervention rather then economic intervention, and how Democrats favor economic intervention over social and Republican vice versa. Keynes talked about heavy government involvement in terms of crisis [Recession, Depression] so you can see a direct correlation between President Obama's policies and Keynes theories. These theories have been proven efficient and that is evident by FDR's solution to the Great Depression and Hoover's Laissez-Faire economic policies that Republicans subscribe to today.

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

World War II brought the country out of the great depression sparky!

 

[OrangeEmpire]

No, more because you just didn't answer the question at all. :hi:

I told you, any one can run any of those rackets better than the people you cherish that run them.

 

[bam15]

What was WWII? In blunt terms massive public works project with a heavy increase in spending [Keynes]. If the FDR administration had spent as much rebuilding America as what the government was willing to spend in WWII, then we would have recovered completely in the 30's with no war required. That is essentially why I found the first stimulus not to be large enough, and America essentially requiring a second stimulus.

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

World War II brought the country out of the great depression sparky!

:hi:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

What was WWII? In blunt terms massive public works project with a heavy increase in spending [Keynes]. If the FDR administration had spent as much rebuilding America as what the government was willing to spend in WWII, then we would have recovered completely in the 30's with no war required. That is essentially why I found the first stimulus not to be large enough, and America essentially requiring a second stimulus.

You poor soul, you really have a hard on for gov't.

:cray: