What method is more effective?

#101
#101
BruinVol said:
Makes perfect sense


Lower rated kids we take early are at best successful at a 25% rate

Lower rated kids we take late are successful at a much higher rate

The above are facts.

Now for the opinion. We should take less lower rated kids early to avoid bad PR and Low success rates
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Or we just keep doing what we are doing since it has yielded 2 top 5 classes.

Not sure I buy your success rate % either. You included Dobbs in one post and he's a 4* on 247 we were able to flip at the last minute.
 
#102
#102
Darth_Shiveman said:
Sample size + time.

At this point last year many on here assumed Wiesman, Foreman, and Vickers (who still shouldn't really count since he kind of just happened to fall into our laps the summer after signing day 2013) had all been recruited over and would be buried on the depth chart the rest of their careers. Wiesman because he couldn't snap the ball, Foreman because he was outplayed by Moseley in 2014 and almost moved to offense, Vickers because he never saw more than mop up duty and was a 260 lb DT behind 2 returning starters and 2 incoming 5*s.

Part of the reason not to close the door on the other 3*s we have yet (as well as some of the guys we lost to attrition who could end up proving their evaluation to be correct at another school).
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Good points but those 3 mentioned had started and/or been in the two deep
 
#103
#103
BigZiti09 said:
Or we just keep doing what we are doing since it has yielded 2 top 5 classes.

Not sure I buy your success rate % either. You included Dobbs in one post and he's a 4* on 247 we were able to flip at the last minute.
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Recruiting has slipped. Even if it hadn't why not look for ways to make it even better

I thought Dobbs was a 3star across the board. My mistake. Being able to flip a 4star that late even adds credence to the have patience thinking
 
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#104
#104
BruinVol said:
Recruiting has slipped. Even if it hadn't why not look for ways to make it even better

I thought Dobbs was a 3star across the board. My mistake. Being able to flip a 4star that late even adds credence to the have patience thinking
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I know of one way to make it better.....

Ask marginal in state recruits with no other SEC offers to delay enrollment or blue shirt so you have room to sign better players on signing day.
 
#105
#105
BigZiti09 said:
I know of one way to make it better.....

Ask marginal in state recruits with no other SEC offers to delay enrollment or blue shirt so you have room to sign better players on signing day.
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Which burns bridges .

Why not just not take their committment in the first place?

Get better kids at the back end and not burn bridges
 
#106
#106
UT could have recruited Tim Hart and shown a lot of interest early. Tim Hart could have committed to Memphis in June or July. UT could have stayed in touch and evaluated his play as a SR in Aug, Sept, Oct, and into Nov. If they liked what they saw they could have pushed a committable offer. I think there is a very strong possibility UT gets him. If UT didn't like what they saw as a SR, that committable offer never comes.

I have no doubt this is how a crapload of schools do it.
 
#107
#107
BruinVol said:
Option 2 has yielded

Players:
Dobbs - baller
Mosely- was not a late flip, been recruited over
Foreman -
Mixon - committed in early November and was an EE
Bynum - has had 11 solo tackles in 3 seasons
Wiesman - nice recruit
Roberson - nice recruit, flipped due to coaching change
Vickers - we added him in May
Williams - committed in November, solid contributor
Bransiel - not a contributor
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There's so much wrong in this Bruin.

Bransiel, Bynum are not high level contributors and they only saw the field due to our talent level being down

Vickers was a unique situation and we added him in May. Sure, there may be a guy you can add like this on occasion but you can't count on it. Also, Vickers is not a great player.

Owen Williams and Mixon both were fall commits and enrolled early. They weren't late flips.

Foreman and Moseley are both guys that have gotten playing time in large part because they were here on the front end of a rebuild.

Dobbs and Robertson are both awesome players. But we were the beneficiaries of coaching changes in both cases. Butch getting hired late allowed us to steal a kid who was committed to a school across the country. Franklin gave us Jashon.

You can't count on coaching changes and unique situations to be able to land recruits late. Butch is going to make room when we need to in those situations.

Half the guys on your list don't even meet the criteria you're describing. You're just using them to add numbers to your argument.
 
#108
#108
BruinVol said:
Which burns bridges .

Why not just not take their committment in the first place?

Get better kids at the back end and not burn bridges
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The kid was offered a spot. He had to know BS or delayed enrollment was on the table. He didn't get to schedule an official and Butch never scheduled an in-home.

You're overthinking this per usual.
 
#110
#110
Branisel was a bust because he was soft and left. He played a great deal as a freshmen contributing a lot. Talent wasn't the issue
 
#112
#112
BigZiti09 said:
The kid was offered a spot. He had to know BS or delayed enrollment was on the table. He didn't get to schedule an official and Butch never scheduled an in-home.

You're overthinking this per usual.
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Butch is just now doing a lot of in home visits. Corey Henderson for example. A lot of OVs are just now being scheduled and executed. Corey Henderson for example. Its not a stretch at all to think Hart was in the same situation. When he realized he's not getting either an in home or an OV, he's been processed. Very weak argument to say the visits not being sooner was a sign of something. Especially if he trusted the staff.
 
#114
#114
BruinVol said:
Foreman played great this year.will start next year IMO

Wiesman is certainly going to start next

Vickers play a huge role as well will and
Continue to do so


Are we going to suck next year?
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Foreman played well as the teams got slower. I hope he doesn't start. If he does, we're in trouble.

He was atrocious in that OU game.
 
#116
#116
BigZiti09 said:
Foreman played well as the teams got slower. I hope he doesn't start. If he does, we're in trouble.

He was atrocious in that OU game.
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We have had this discussion before.

Bama slower?

He developed greatly. Perhaps he just got better instead of the opponents getting worse
 
#118
#118
BruinVol said:
He was more used as the blocking TE.
He played fairly equally to wolf that first year

Well on his way as a true freshmen
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He had 3 catches and left an awful team. You wanting to include him as a high level contributor shows your bias.
 
#119
#119
BigZiti09 said:
He had 3 catches and left an awful team. You wanting to include him as a high level contributor shows your bias.
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Any kid that plays a Prominent role as a true freshmen can't be call a bust Because of talent.

He was a bust no doubt but it was about his makeup and not talent.
 
#120
#120
BruinVol said:
Any kid that plays a Prominent role as a true freshmen can't be call a bust Because of talent.

He was a bust no doubt but it was about his makeup and not talent.
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3 catches, zero starts on a team that went 5-7. Nobody has missed him since the day he left campus.

The only reason you're calling him a hit is because in your mind it helps add validity to this ridiculous argument.
 
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#121
#121
BigZiti09 said:
3 catches, zero starts on a team that went 5-7. Nobody has missed him since the day he left campus.

The only reason you're calling him a hit is because in your mind it helps add validity to this ridiculous argument.
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Lol

He wasn't a hit because of his makeup. It doesn't add anything to my stance. The evidence is clear. I have added and subtracted players left and right as posters have attacked the #s I have given.

Even still It's still a substantial better rate of return using the wait and see approach to fringy players.

It's a fact the later signees have had a more successful rate. We can argue how much better it's a fact the later committed kids we have flipped are better performers
 
#122
#122
You listed like 10 guys and almost all of them do not fit the description you laid out or they ended up here due to unseen circumstances that we have no way of relying on in the future.
 
#123
#123
BigZiti09 said:
You listed like 10 guys and almost all of them do not fit the description you laid out or they ended up here due to unseen circumstances that we have no way of relying on in the future.
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Almost all of them?

Come on ziti. Dobbs is the only one.

I don't agree that mosely, wolf and thomas fit but I added them.
 
#125
#125
BigZiti09 said:
There's so much wrong in this Bruin.

Bransiel, Bynum are not high level contributors and they only saw the field due to our talent level being down

Vickers was a unique situation and we added him in May. Sure, there may be a guy you can add like this on occasion but you can't count on it. Also, Vickers is not a great player.

Owen Williams and Mixon both were fall commits and enrolled early. They weren't late flips.

Foreman and Moseley are both guys that have gotten playing time in large part because they were here on the front end of a rebuild.

Dobbs and Robertson are both awesome players. But we were the beneficiaries of coaching changes in both cases. Butch getting hired late allowed us to steal a kid who was committed to a school across the country. Franklin gave us Jashon.

You can't count on coaching changes and unique situations to be able to land recruits late. Butch is going to make room when we need to in those situations.

Half the guys on your list don't even meet the criteria you're describing. You're just using them to add numbers to your argument.
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Late flips to me are October and beyond.


Coaching changes are always going to be a part of the process. Every single year coaches leave and having open spots is always a good thing.


Foreman and Bynum started on a 8-4 team that has this fanbase in a buzz. Not sure how on earth they can't be considered high contributors
 
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