What other message boards are saying (Mizzou Edition)

[CNCVol88]

I don’t care what wristbands they had. They still had to execute. Our DBs got torched and it had nothing to do with cheating. Hooker was asked about the cheating in the SC game. He pretty much all but shot it down.

The bottom line is we had internal issues that kept us from performing at our highest level. Could you not see something was wrong with the team? Hell even my mom said UT doesn’t look right. They look flat and not ready to play. Continuing this ridiculous cheating narrative looks incredibly dumb and petty. We got our asses beat. Simple as that.

Easy to torch a Defense when you know what coverages they have.

 

[sjt18]

I don’t care what wristbands they had. They still had to execute. Our DBs got torched and it had nothing to do with cheating.

That is one of the most thoroughly stupid things I've seen written on this board. I've been here a very long time and seen a lot of stupid things written.

Hooker was asked about the cheating in the SC game. He pretty much all but shot it down.

Why would he get himself into that? You do remember where he plays now, right?

The bottom line is we had internal issues that kept us from performing at our highest level. Could you not see something was wrong with the team? Hell even my mom said UT doesn’t look right. They look flat and not ready to play. Continuing this ridiculous cheating narrative looks incredibly dumb and petty. We got our asses beat. Simple as that.

If UT had Bama's signals this year and could call plays based on what they KNEW Bama was going to do... the Vols would have blown them out. Your subjective assessment that the team "looked" whatever has far less proof than the suggestion that Michigan was stealing signs and had very good reason (including $$$$$) to share with a known cheater at USCe... who even then had some warmth in his seat.

Maybe the Vols did have some turmoil. Maybe that would have costs them the game regardless. That does NOT explain what USCe did offensively. They would have struggled to do that good in routes on air.

This isn't a matter of UT being "flat" or even making mistakes or playing poorly. This is a matter of a really bad QB and offense suddenly becoming... PERFECT. Not just good. PERFECT.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Easy to torch a Defense when you know what coverages they have.

This is real life not Tecmo Bowl.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That is one of the most thoroughly stupid things I've seen written on this board. I've been here a very long time and seen a lot of stupid things written.

Why would he get himself into that? You do remember where he plays now, right?

If UT had Bama's signals this year and could call plays based on what they KNEW Bama was going to do... the Vols would have blown them out. Your subjective assessment that the team "looked" whatever has far less proof than the suggestion that Michigan was stealing signs and had very good reason (including $$$$$) to share with a known cheater at USCe... who even then had some warmth in his seat.

Maybe the Vols did have some turmoil. Maybe that would have costs them the game regardless. That does NOT explain what USCe did offensively. They would have struggled to do that good in routes on air.

This isn't a matter of UT being "flat" or even making mistakes or playing poorly. This is a matter of a really bad QB and offense suddenly becoming... PERFECT. Not just good. PERFECT.

You and others who share this view have a loser mentality. At the end of the day execution matters. You can stammer in with conjecture and conspiracy all you want. SC whipped us. Period. Your assessments are based on nothing but what ifs.

Like I have said before this is real life. Not a video game. Apparently you are one of those fans who just want to find some kind of excuse or explanation as to why we got skull drugged by an inferior team. When it’s staring you in the face. We got out played and out coached. Just like we did against Uf this year. And against Georgia State. Sometimes even great teams play bad and an inferior team rocks them. Get your head out of the sand and just accept facts.

 

[Toucan Sam]

What has Missouri accomplished this season?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

What has Missouri accomplished this season?

What kind of question is this? What has any team accomplished at this point in the season? Nothing. Doesn’t change the fact that Missouri is a good team.

 

[sjt18]

You and others who share this view have a loser mentality.

Right. Expecting everyone to play by the same rules is a "loser mentality". You need some serious help. Seriously.

At the end of the day execution matters.

At the "end of the day" the best traders in the world can do everything right and still get burned by those with illegal insider knowledge in stock trading. You have somehow talked yourself into believing that a team that had not executed well all year suddenly became perfect. Not good. Not great. PERFECT.

Are you really trying to argue that if one side knows what the other side has called... they aren't able to "execute" better? Or are you so weak in knowledge of the game that you think that the right play call can't beat "execution" the vast majority of the time? USCe zigged every time UT zagged on both sides of the ball.

Get your head out of there before you smother.

You can stammer in with conjecture and conspiracy all you want. SC whipped us. Period. Your assessments are based on nothing but what ifs.

Well, you are determined in your ignorance. I'll give you that.

Like I have said before this is real life. Not a video game. Apparently you are one of those fans who just want to find some kind of excuse or explanation as to why we got skull drugged by an inferior team.

Reasons aren't excuses. Stop being moronic. I'm starting to be embarrassed for you. IF USCe had UT's signals and was able to SPECIFICALLY match play calls to what UT called then UT COULD NOT WIN. They were an inferior team but not that inferior.

When it’s staring you in the face. We got out played and out coached. Just like we did against Uf this year. And against Georgia State. Sometimes even great teams play bad and an inferior team rocks them. Get your head out of the sand and just accept facts.

You are the one denying what is staring you right in the face. Completely. We pretty much KNOW Michigan stole signs and that their analyst had around 60 guys working with him going to various games to "work". We KNOW that Michigan needed UT and Clemson to lose so they could be guaranteed a spot in the CFP. This isn't conjecture. These are facts at this point. We also know that Beamer was previously fined for cheating and that there are connections between the staffs.

UF has nothing to do with that. GSU has nothing to do with that. And if they had the signals then being out played or out coached has nothing to do with it.

 

[RockyTop140]

Right. Expecting everyone to play by the same rules is a "loser mentality". You need some serious help. Seriously.

At the "end of the day" the best traders in the world can do everything right and still get burned by those with illegal insider knowledge in stock trading. You have somehow talked yourself into believing that a team that had not executed well all year suddenly became perfect. Not good. Not great. PERFECT.

Are you really trying to argue that if one side knows what the other side has called... they aren't able to "execute" better? Or are you so weak in knowledge of the game that you think that the right play call can't beat "execution" the vast majority of the time? USCe zigged every time UT zagged on both sides of the ball.

Get your head out of there before you smother.

Well, you are determined in your ignorance. I'll give you that.

Reasons aren't excuses. Stop being moronic. I'm starting to be embarrassed for you. IF USCe had UT's signals and was able to SPECIFICALLY match play calls to what UT called then UT COULD NOT WIN. They were an inferior team but not that inferior.

You are the one denying what is staring you right in the face. Completely. We pretty much KNOW Michigan stole signs and that their analyst had around 60 guys working with him going to various games to "work". We KNOW that Michigan needed UT and Clemson to lose so they could be guaranteed a spot in the CFP. This isn't conjecture. These are facts at this point. We also know that Beamer was previously fined for cheating and that there are connections between the staffs.

UF has nothing to do with that. GSU has nothing to do with that. And if they had the signals then being out played or out coached has nothing to do with it.

I’m not disagreeing with you, rather just bringing up a point. If they zigged everytime we zagged, had a perfect play call dialed up, at what point do the coaches realize something ain’t right? Is there no other way to get play calls across? You’d think they’d realize pretty quick that SC knows what we’re running, and find a different way to call plays. Maybe there really isn’t any other way for them to call plays without the use of their signals, but you’d think they’d at least try and give three different signals and tell the players to use the 2nd signal, or 3rd etc.

 

[sjt18]

I’m not disagreeing with you, rather just bringing up a point. If they zigged everytime we zagged, had a perfect play call dialed up, at what point do the coaches realize something ain’t right? Is there no other way to get play calls across? You’d think they’d realize pretty quick that SC knows what we’re running, and find a different way to call plays. Maybe there really isn’t any other way for them to call plays without the use of their signals, but you’d think they’d at least try and give three different signals and tell the players to use the 2nd signal, or 3rd etc.

For most programs, you could let alternates bring plays in like we did in the old days. For UT, that doesn't work because the Vols don't sub or huddle. Every player is responsible for picking up a signal from the sideline on every play. The signals used by teams are sufficiently complex enough to keep others from figuring them out by observation during the game. It isn't something easily changed on the fly.

If I'm not mistaken the bold is pretty much standard. We didn't have anything that complex in football years ago when I played but we did in baseball. In a series of signals, one would be the key to tell you which other one was live. If you thought someone had figured that out then you would alternate the key based on the count or some other indicator.

I would imagine that trying to change football signals in the middle of a game would be pretty confusing... maybe like switching from Italian to Spanish in the middle of a conversation. You also have to figure out that the opponent has your signals.

I like WW2 history. The British captured a German enigma coding machine fairly early in the war. It was a huge advantage. However they couldn't afford to let the Germans figure it out by being too obvious. Their command used information selectively. On many occasions, they chose not to use it and let their own forces walk into ambushes or suffer heavy casualties. I don't want to give Beamer too much credit but if he'd been too obvious then someone on UT's staff might have figured it out.

 

[rikberry31]

I don’t care what wristbands they had. They still had to execute. Our DBs got torched and it had nothing to do with cheating. Hooker was asked about the cheating in the SC game. He pretty much all but shot it down.

The bottom line is we had internal issues that kept us from performing at our highest level. Could you not see something was wrong with the team? Hell even my mom said UT doesn’t look right. They look flat and not ready to play. Continuing this ridiculous cheating narrative looks incredibly dumb and petty. We got our asses beat. Simple as that.

1. If having the other teams plays doesn't matter why bother going through the trouble and expense to get them? For that matter why bother watching film? I'll tell you having an idea of what's coming is very helpful, and much more so if you know for sure.
2. Do you really think Hooker is going to say, "Yeah, man I think they cheated"?
3. When was the last time you saw a whole team wearing wrist bands?
4. Have you ever played or coached the game beyond little league?

Come on man, I understand very well you have to play the game and overcome an unlevel playing field but you can't ignore and say it is not there.

 

[sjt18]

1. If having the other teams plays doesn't matter why bother going through the trouble and expense to get them? For that matter why bother watching film? I'll tell you having an idea of what's coming is very helpful, and much more so if you know for sure.

No. No. You're stupid for thinking that. Teams are wasting their time with signals in the first place since if you "execute"... it doesn't matter if the other team knows your play call.

2. Do you really think Hooker is going to say, "Yeah, man I think they cheated"?

Why yes. He really does think that.

3. When was the last time you saw a whole team wearing wrist bands?

"Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story"?

4. Have you ever played or coached the game beyond little league?

Come on man, I understand very well you have to play the game and overcome an unlevel playing field but you can't ignore and say it is not there.

You'd think so huh?

 

[NetworkVol]

This is real life not Tecmo Bowl.

Then why would they spend all that money and time to do it?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Then why would they spend all that money and time to do it?

Regardless of if you have another teams playbook or not, you still have to execute. QBs still have to make great throws. OL has to block. WRs have to get open and catch.

So answer me this. If UCONN had our signals and our playbook, do you think they destroy us?

 

[luthervol]

Regardless of if you have another teams playbook or not, you still have to execute. QBs still have to make great throws. OL has to block. WRs have to get open and catch.

So answer me this. If UCONN had our signals and our playbook, do you think they destroy us?

It certainly would have helped UCONN.

So answer me this. If UT had bama's signals and playbook, do you think it would have helped us?
Enough to make a difference?

 

[CNCVol88]

It certainly would have helped UCONN.

So answer me this. If UT had bama's signals and playbook, do you think it would have helped us?
Enough to make a difference?

Man screw the talk of south Carolina now. They're in the past.

Let's talk about how much of a poverty program and fan base mizzou is. Even vandy has a better message board.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The WHY is that Spencer Rattler had the game of his life. He threw perfect pass after perfect pass, even against good coverage. Plus we missed tons of tackles.

And he's never repeated anything like it. Weird.

 

[Orange.]

1. If having the other teams plays doesn't matter why bother going through the trouble and expense to get them? For that matter why bother watching film? I'll tell you having an idea of what's coming is very helpful, and much more so if you know for sure.
2. Do you really think Hooker is going to say, "Yeah, man I think they cheated"?
3. When was the last time you saw a whole team wearing wrist bands?
4. Have you ever played or coached the game beyond little league?

Come on man, I understand very well you have to play the game and overcome an unlevel playing field but you can't ignore and say it is not there.

Exactly.

“I’ll be honest, anybody’s that’s coaching football that says that the other team knows what you’re doing is not an advantage, I’ve got to check them. That’s not true. I’ve been part of programs where we have guys trying to steal signals from the sideline during the game, everybody’s listening what the other team is saying. Why is everybody doing that? Because it’s an advantage, right.

"Even for an offense – if you even know the coverage, if you know what blitz is coming, you should have a plan how to react to that and you can put them in a vulnerable situation and it works both ways.

"Everybody wouldn’t be trying to hide signals if it wasn’t a big deal if the other team knew what you were doing. Let’s just put it that way, that’s pretty common sense.”

-- Michigan State OL coach and run game coordinator Chris Kapilovic on what Harbaugh's Michigan did

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

Lol. Burden is playing and will be fine.

Just like you say we don't know if we almost got the death penalty I can say the same to you. You don't KNOW that he's playing, it's possible he doesn't. You can't speak in absolutes in one thing and be open to other possibilities in another. It's called being a hypocrite.

 

[BigOrange15]

TIL that being suspicious of suspicious events is a loser mentality.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

That is one of the most thoroughly stupid things I've seen written on this board. I've been here a very long time and seen a lot of stupid things written.

Why would he get himself into that? You do remember where he plays now, right?

If UT had Bama's signals this year and could call plays based on what they KNEW Bama was going to do... the Vols would have blown them out. Your subjective assessment that the team "looked" whatever has far less proof than the suggestion that Michigan was stealing signs and had very good reason (including $$$$$) to share with a known cheater at USCe... who even then had some warmth in his seat.

Maybe the Vols did have some turmoil. Maybe that would have costs them the game regardless. That does NOT explain what USCe did offensively. They would have struggled to do that good in routes on air.

This isn't a matter of UT being "flat" or even making mistakes or playing poorly. This is a matter of a really bad QB and offense suddenly becoming... PERFECT. Not just good. PERFECT.

Actually many who cover TN came out and said something happened between Hooker and Banks that threw off all rhythm and created locker room issues prior to the game. I’m not saying that cost us the game, but I’d argue there’s more evidence to that than Michigan giving SC play calls.

 

[JMSqb11]

-I don’t wanna believe it, but the UGA loss may have broken this team.

-I wonder if Heupel will run it up again on us?

These two comments are my expectation..... There is nothing to suggest that Mizzou should be able to keep up with our offense. Not one bit.

And yes I agree with the sentiment by Mizzou fans that the UGA choke job last week was demoralizing for them. I fully expect them to roll over after they blew that game.

 

[Mccage]

You and others who share this view have a loser mentality. At the end of the day execution matters. You can stammer in with conjecture and conspiracy all you want. SC whipped us. Period. Your assessments are based on nothing but what ifs.

Like I have said before this is real life. Not a video game. Apparently you are one of those fans who just want to find some kind of excuse or explanation as to why we got skull drugged by an inferior team. When it’s staring you in the face. We got out played and out coached. Just like we did against Uf this year. And against Georgia State. Sometimes even great teams play bad and an inferior team rocks them. Get your head out of the sand and just accept facts.

Have no idea if anyone cheated but I do know every time we blitzed a lb in that game they had a receiver in the vacated spot with rattler immediately picking it up. Great game by him which just happened to be his first one all year.

 

[sjt18]

Actually many who cover TN came out and said something happened between Hooker and Banks that threw off all rhythm and created locker room issues prior to the game. I’m not saying that cost us the game, but I’d argue there’s more evidence to that than Michigan giving SC play calls.

Yes they did and no there's not. People were looking for a reason to explain it away. It isn't conjecture that Banks and Hooker had a clash or that Banks was left home because of it. Generally those kinds of things are pretty much of null effect. They happen a lot more frequently than we are told about. Occasionally the team will actually pull together because of it.

But there isn't more evidence that the tiff between Hooker and Banks had any impact on the game beyond the absence of Banks on D.

When presented with what is known and provable, the other Big 10 schools went ballistic. It happened and it wasn't just a one man operation. I believe it is Thamel who reports that as many as 65 associates of that analysts spread out to steal signals. They had a vested and BIG interest in seeing both UT and Clemson get a 2nd loss. Both were likely to be taken in the CPF ahead of Michigan and deservedly so. Then suddenly... completely out of the blue... a team that was just trampled by a bad UF team... struggled with an awful Vandy team and were beaten by a Mizzou team that UT had boat raced... became perfect... they were the best team in CFB. They beat two of the best 3 teams on their schedule and just couldn't do any wrong. Coaches who had looked like bumbling fools for 10 games were suddenly the best in football... only to revert to their true selves this year.

I'm sorry if that sounds like a reasonable proposition to you. It isn't.

 

[sjt18]

This is real life not Tecmo Bowl.

You are expert at making yourself look like a fool and total football novice. Are you seriously suggesting that if one coaching staff knows what the other coaching staff has called that they cannot use that to stop the other team and exploit inherent weaknesses in their D?

I would love to believe that no one is that dumb... but you are making it hard.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Regardless of if you have another teams playbook or not, you still have to execute. QBs still have to make great throws. OL has to block. WRs have to get open and catch.

So answer me this. If UCONN had our signals and our playbook, do you think they destroy us?

Lol, cheating is ok because “you still have to execute.” What kind of asinine logic is that. I guess Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, and the Russian Olympic committee all got screwed over because they “still had to execute” after all.