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#178
#178
The Original Fade said:
And the ghost would be wrong. Stoops has been to 8 straight bowls in 11 seasons. Bryant only had 5 bowls in 9 seasons. Records while at Kentucky are similar and Stoops has done it in a much more competitive SEC than Bryant dealt with and with recruiting restrictions Bryant didn’t have.
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No, the Ghost would be right.

Your main objective point of comparison, bowl appearances, is misleading. Back when Bryant coached at Kentucky, there were only about 7 bowl games a year. That means, generally speaking, a team had to be in the Top 15 nationwide to get invited. These days, there are more than 40 bowls (!!!). That's 80 to 85 participants every single year. There are only 135 teams in the FBS. Over half go to bowls. Teams with a 5-7 record go to bowls. Between Bryant's KY years and today, we've gone from bowls being a preserve of the elite, to anyone with a pulse getting an invitation. See how misleading that stat is?

And you say that the SEC is "much more competitive" today than back then. But that's just recency bias. There have always been 12-16 teams in the conference, and they've always had to beat each other to get to the top.

No, the only valid and objective way to compare coaches is simple: look at their win rate.

You say Stoops and Bryant's records at Kentucky are "similar," but that's just not true. Bear Bryant went 60-23-5 with the Wildcats. That's a .710 win rate. Anything above .700 is pretty elite. Meanwhile, Mark Stoops has gone 73-65, a .529 win rate. Fairly mediocre.

And so the Ghost is right. Bear Bryant had a far more impressive run at Kentucky than Mark Stoops has had thus far. It's not even close.

Go Vols!
 
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The Original Fade said:
Correction, Bryant only went to 4 bowls in 9 years there.
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They didn't have 43 bowl games back then. Bryant had a winning record every year at UK and would have gone to a bowl every year there, under the same standards as today. Bryant has an SEC championship at UK, Stoops hasn't sniffed one. He isn't anywhere close to Bear Bryant's level. Even UK fans will admit that. Hell, even Stoops admitted it in an interview after he passed Bryant in wins at UK.

Edit: JP beat me to it. :D
 
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The Original Fade said:
And the ghost would be wrong. Stoops has been to 8 straight bowls in 11 seasons. Bryant only had 5 bowls in 9 seasons. Records while at Kentucky are similar and Stoops has done it in a much more competitive SEC than Bryant dealt with and with recruiting restrictions Bryant didn’t have.
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Bear had to compete with the General as well
 
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rk_kerk said:
Agree to disagree. Holding your offense to 21-28 points with an offense that went 5 plays or less on 8 drives and losing field position battle all game is a very nice showing.

The 5 other teams holding you under that were 1) top 25 defenses, 2) had much more capable offenses.

Is Iowa a top 10 defense absolutely not. Are they top 15ish I believe so.
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Appreciate your honesty and solid sports conversation. I’m nowhere near the purist after my team ends up on the other side of such a domination. I think Nico learned the merits of throwing the ball away at times courtesy of your pass rushers. Good luck with your OC search…the right offensive mind is out there. Maybe research DeBoer’s staff.
 
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rk_kerk said:
My thoughts on the game as an Iowa fan.

About how I expected it to go. Earlier when I said stop the run we will struggle to score 10, the Qb can’t throw against air. I wasn’t kidding and I think you guys saw that on full display. From inaccuracy/ to not being able to read a defense, and just bad decision making all around. No team in their right mind can/should respect Iowa passing game, thus we see loaded boxes and on 3rd and long pass rushers teeing off.

Logical Iowa fans know the record was insanely over inflated, that being said I don’t think the programs are as far apart as score says I know that’s very laughable to Tennessee fans. A capable Qb makes this offense at least decent. Oline is average but capable. Rb’s are solid, TE’s will be great next year, definitely need one more explosive WR.

I think our D proved to be good. They gave up about 24. With an offense that goes 3 and out 50% of the time. With a decent offense 24 can keep you in every game. I didn’t see our defense just severely overwhelmed athletically.

As for Tennessee, I thought the G/C/G did a fabulous job, really controlled the interior. Tennessee running with that much success surprised me. Rb could just dance behind line wait for player to blow his run gap and hit the hole for good to great gains.

Nico looked fantastic Tennessee fans should be estatic. I see alot of Stroud in his game.

Zero problem with Tennessee trying to score late. It was backups/ Iowa had 80% of starters in. Tennessee players deserve those live reps for growth if program.

Wish the game was more entertaining, but Tennessee was far superior and it showed.
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Not trying to rub it in, but I think yall need a lot more than a QB. The WRs are almost as bad and the offensive system puts you in a "3 yards and a cloud of dust type of game". QB fixes some of that but not all. That's your coach's mentality.

Y'all have a good pass rush and I'd say a pretty good front 7 in general but you still don't have the horses.

That's why Michigan and OSU are always the best teams in the conference. They have better athletes than pretty much everyone else in the conference, which is why it isn't impressive when they beat the 1 or 2 talented teams they play.
 
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m1al said:
The Pillsbury Throwboy was #1 draft pick material compared to Hill. That's the worst college QB I think I've ever seen in my life. Some of that is due to an impotent offense, but still Hill is awful.
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His OL and receivers didn't do him any favors, either.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Sherwood, TN, near Swanee? Don’t think I have ever met ANYONE from that hidden little dot. Beautiful area though
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Make that 2 of us. Moved to the other side of the mountain at 2yo but proud to call it my birthplace and final resting place when that day comes.
 
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MaxVolnGA said:
Make that 2 of us. Moved to the other side of the mountain at 2yo but proud to call it my birthplace and final resting place when that day comes.
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I hiked the Sherwood Day Loop on New Year’s eve. Go up to that part of the world for hiking whenever I can.
 
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onevol74 said:
Stoops never took UK to a major bowl or ranked in the top 5. Dumb argument. Stoops is just an average coach.
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Maybe he is average, but he’s still the best coach they’ve ever had. Yes, better than Bear. The SEC is significantly harder than it was in Bear’s day and anyone saying otherwise is out of their mind. Who were the other quality coaches in the SEC during that time period? Look at the coaching landscape in the SEC now and then factor in recruiting limitations that Bear didn’t have.
 
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#196
There have been times in the past we didn't even look like a d1 team on the sidelines

A few observations…

They announced over 43k in attendance. It was probably 85/15 Tenn.

All the attention was on Tenn’s holdouts, but the hawks had just over 30 guys not dressed.

We were on the Tenn side and the resources were remarkable. It looked like a NFL sideline. The Iowa side from our perspective looked anemic.

We were lucky Tenn didnt drop 50… their QB took a lot of the easier throws. They had guys running free down the seam and any experienced QB would've had monster numbers
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The Original Fade said:
Maybe he is average, but he’s still the best coach they’ve ever had. Yes, better than Bear. The SEC is significantly harder than it was in Bear’s day and anyone saying otherwise is out of their mind. Who were the other quality coaches in the SEC during that time period? Look at the coaching landscape in the SEC now and then factor in recruiting limitations that Bear didn’t have.
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since when does bowl game participation prove who's a better coach? Ridiculous. Bear's winning percentage is better, in that world does that not make him the better coach?
 
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