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[SweetasSoda]

Maybe so, but that isn't the argument I'm making. The point is, Mehlen is an average recruiter, and he can be an average recruiter in Florida because there are 50 4 star or higher ranked players in that state. So he can only land 1 top 10 player from the state, 2 of the top 15, and only 4 of the top 20, and still sign 17 in state players and end up with the 8th ranked class in the country.

In the state of TN there are only 11 4 stars. And judging by Pruitt's decisions and the fact that one of them went to Arkansas and the other dropped to a low 3 star on 247's own rankings, some of them are even overrated. So he would not have the type of in state talent to build up his class that he does at Florida.

I do not believe that he would be recruiting nationally on the level that Pruitt is. There is no way, imo, that Mullen would have landed Crouch, Wright, Henry To, Wanya, Ramel, Harrison Bailey, Malachi Wideman, Morven Joseph (especially since he didn't land those two in state) or many of the other top guys out of state.

To recruit at a high level at TN you have to recruit nationally for the majority of your class most years. This year, we will have to land big time players from NC, Virginia, GA, and other places like that if we are going to finish with a nice class. There are only about 3 guys, that we know of, that Pruitt even wants in state. I do not believe that Mehlen could recruit like that nationally. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that I am, especially when he is losing so much talent right in his back yard. Morven Joseph is a prime example of that as are his terrible ESD and NSD's that he had this past year.

Even when I look at the national talent that Mehlen got this year, he beat out VT and NC for Antwaun Powell, he beat out KY for Lamar Goods, looks like Baylor, with their new coach, for Princely, and, tbh, I highly doubt that Jalen Lee was a take for LSU or he'd be there. Now, tbf, he also beat some good teams for Torrence, he beat us straight up for McDaniel (although I can't understand Mordecai's decision but I digress), but it seems like a lot of those guys he got that were national guys, the competition for them wasn't exactly elite.

Compare Pruitt: He beat out Alabama for Henry, AU for Wanya and Keyton, GA and Alabama for Wright, Clemson and Michigan for Crouch, FSU and Florida for Morven, Florida for Beckwith, FSU, Oregon, and Ole Miss for Wideman (Fl too?) as well as a couple of others. I don't see Mehlen winning those battles if he is at TN. That's my opinion, and the fact that GA and Clemson landed more of the top 10 players in Fl than Mehlen did, and his horrible closing on ESD and NSD, seems to give evidence of that to me.

Well done.

 

[Jaws]

99 touched on this but there are a few things you have to consider regarding Mullen recruiting Florida. First, he did much better on the top 100 in the state as an aggregate than UF was doing under Mac, and even at the end of Muschamp. Regarding just the top 10 in Florida, Mullen got two this year and two last year (top 11), which is about the same clip that Muschamp and Mac were pulling. Even the end of Meyer’s years he was only getting 2-3 from the top 10. This indicates that it’s a Florida issue, not a Mullen issue.

Recruiting in-state for UF started slipping in 2009-10 when Meyer pulled the retired, un-retired, retired again stuff. Then Muschamp actually did very well in his early classes, but dropped off significantly after his teams started sucking. Then enter Mac, and we couldn’t pull crap from the state or anywhere else. So while Florida was struggling on the field and recruiting was suffering, something else happened; teams entered an Arms Race and started building palaces and football complexes and amazing facilities. Clemson/Bama/Ohio State/Georgia all spent millions while Florida did... nothing. Florida “spruced-up” its existing facilities that were very nice for the 90’s and early 00’s, but were basic and outdated compared to what others were doing. That finally changed when Scott Stricklin took over as AD which coincides with Mullen taking over at UF. UF does NOT have a standalone football complex even as I type this. Players actually have to use the stadium locker room to dress out for practice and then walk a few hundred yards to the practice fields. Compared to UT and Georgia and many others, that’s pretty damn antiquated.

So all that is being addressed now, a standalone football complex is being built, the recruiting budget at UF has increased drastically and Mullen is bringing in some known killers in recruiting, starting with Tim Brewster. Now if Mullen is still hanging in the top 8 range, but can’t bust through that top 5 regularly after the new facilities go online and he’s had 4 or 5 years to build relationships at Florida High Schools, then it becomes a Mullen problem more than a UF problem. Right now, Mullen is doing a very good job with what he walked into.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

99 touched on this but there are a few things you have to consider regarding Mullen recruiting Florida. First, he did much better on the top 100 in the state as an aggregate than UF was doing under Mac, and even at the end of Muschamp. Regarding just the top 10 in Florida, Mullen got two this year and two last year (top 11), which is about the same clip that Muschamp and Mac were pulling. Even the end of Meyer’s years he was only getting 2-3 from the top 10. This indicates that it’s a Florida issue, not a Mullen issue.

Recruiting in-state for UF started slipping in 2009-10 when Meyer pulled the retired, un-retired, retired again stuff. Then Muschamp actually did very well in his early classes, but dropped off significantly after his teams started sucking. Then enter Mac, and we couldn’t pull crap from the state or anywhere else. So while Florida was struggling on the field and recruiting was suffering, something else happened; teams entered an Arms Race and started building palaces and football complexes and amazing facilities. Clemson/Bama/Ohio State/Georgia all spent millions while Florida did... nothing. Florida “spruced-up” its existing facilities that were very nice for the 90’s and early 00’s, but were basic and outdated compared to what others were doing. That finally changed when Scott Stricklin took over as AD which coincides with Mullen taking over at UF. UF does NOT have a standalone football complex even as I type this. Players actually have to use the stadium locker room to dress out for practice and then walk a few hundred yards to the practice fields. Compared to UT and Georgia and many others, that’s pretty damn antiquated.

So all that is being addressed now, a standalone football complex is being built, the recruiting budget at UF has increased drastically and Mullen is bringing in some known killers in recruiting, starting with Tim Brewster. Now if Mullen is still hanging in the top 8 range, but can’t bust through that top 5 regularly after the new facilities go online and he’s had 4 or 5 years to build relationships at Florida High Schools, then it becomes a Mullen problem more than a UF problem. Right now, Mullen is doing a very good job with what he walked into.

He is doing a fine job. Because he’s at Fl where he can sign 17 in state players on his way to a top 10 class, and not in TN, where if he signed 17 in state players he’d be ranked worse than 20th.

 

[99gator]

Urban and Spurrier weren't striking out in the top 10 in state recruits.

1. I specifically said that Urban was a different level recruiter.

2. Spurrier lost in-state recruiting battles to FSU and Miami all the time. He won some. He lost some.

 

[Smokeytom]

He is doing a fine job. Because he’s at Fl where he can sign 17 in state players on his way to a top 10 class, and not in TN, where if he signed 17 in state players he’d be ranked worse than 20th.

He’s just going to continue to ignore this point. Wasting your time at this point. I regret catching up with this thread. It’s an insanity loop in here.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

He’s just going to continue to ignore this point. Wasting your time at this point. I regret catching up with this thread. It’s an insanity loop in here.

Yeah its pretty funny. When i take him off ignore, its hilarious to see him quote half of a post and respond to it and ignore the actual argument. Lol.

 

[butchna]

So all those top Tennessee guys who went to Auburn and Clemson and TexasAm and Oklahoma and Kentucky are all trash? Pruitt got it right, Dabo and Jimbo got it wrong?

Clemson? You talking about the OL from Catholic that Pruitt didn’t even recruit? Not trash. But like Grimes, not a miss. It’s not a right or wrong recruitment.

 

[butchna]

Yeah its pretty funny. When i take him off ignore, its hilarious to see him quote have of a post and respond to it and ignore the actual argument. Lol.

He quotes HIS OWN posts and agrees with them.

 

[Jaws]

He’s just going to continue to ignore this point. Wasting your time at this point. I regret catching up with this thread. It’s an insanity loop in here.

I’m not ignoring it, I disagree with it, because we have NO IDEA if it is true. Nobody will ever know how Mullen would have recruited at Tennessee. Everyone else is trying to lay out facts, you and one or two others are talking conjecture and speculation and hypotheticals.

I think Mullen would have done just as good as Pruitt at UT, maybe better, because UT is NOT a tough place to recruit to, great facilities, great town, tradition, fans, all that. PLUS, Mullen is a damn good coach and kids want to play for good coaches. If Derek Freaking Dooley and Butch Jones can hover around the top 10 at Tennessee, Dan Mullen can take it to top 5, in my opinion.

But again, we’ll NEVER know.

 

[Jaws]

Clemson? You talking about the OL from Catholic that Pruitt didn’t even recruit? Not trash. But like Grimes, not a miss. It’s not a right or wrong recruitment.

All due respect to Pruitt, I like Dabo’s player evaluations better than his.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I’m not ignoring it, I disagree with it, because we have NO IDEA if it is true. Nobody will ever know how Mullen would have recruited at Tennessee. Everyone else is trying to lay out facts, you and one or two others are talking conjecture and speculation and hypotheticals.

I think Mullen would have done just as good as Pruitt at UT, maybe better, because UT is NOT a tough place to recruit to, great facilities, great town, tradition, fans, all that. PLUS, Mullen is a damn good coach and kids want to play for good coaches. If Derek Freaking Dooley and Butch Jones can hover around the top 10 at Tennessee, Dan Mullen can take it to top 5, in my opinion.

But again, we’ll NEVER know.

Yep...you're an even bigger imbecile than I thought....goodbye..I am done playing with you.

 

[butchna]

All due respect to Pruitt, I like Dabo’s player evaluations better than his.

I don’t. And that’s what matters to me. Start naming some prospects that Dabo mined from the 2 star ranks that got bumped up to 4 stars. Then do the same for 3 stars. Dabo has built a beast but it’s reached this point because he started closing on high rated prospects...and that took awhile.

 

[Jaws]

Yep...you're an even bigger imbecile than I thought....goodbye..I am done playing with you.

I never realized you were here to begin with. If you don’t like Florida fan opinions, here’s an idea, don’t click on a thread asking for Florida fan opinions.

Stay gone this time.

 

[ChattownVFL]

Looks like someone is getting mad online

 

[gainesvol82]

1. I specifically said that Urban was a different level recruiter.

2. Spurrier lost in-state recruiting battles to FSU and Miami all the time. He won some. He lost some.

Of course Spurrier lost battles to those programs. 0-10? No.

 

[Jaws]

I don’t. And that’s what matters to me. Start naming some prospects that Dabo mined from the 2 star ranks that got bumped up to 4 stars. Then do the same for 3 stars. Dabo has built a beast but it’s reached this point because he started closing on high rated prospects...and that took awhile.

I’ll take your word for it that he hasn’t mined a bunch or 2 and 3 stars. I know he’s won 2 national titles and more ACC titles than I can count, and he’s long past needing to find diamonds in the ruff. I hate to bring it up, but if you’re looking for a dude who did a helluva job finding 2-3 stars and developing them into players and NFL draft picks, Dan Mullen has a whole bunch of that from his Miss State days.

But I know he’s hated here and he’ll never get any credit for that (from most). Some are willing to see that.

 

[Jaws]

1. I specifically said that Urban was a different level recruiter.

2. Spurrier lost in-state recruiting battles to FSU and Miami all the time. He won some. He lost some.

Urban was definitely different level, but the facilities problem would have caught up with him too. He got out as that boom was happening.

Previous AD Jeremy Foley was a truly great AD, but he was very hard headed and old school w regard to spending money and facilities. He was know for proclaiming he would “not get into an arms race on facilities with anyone.” And who can blame him, he oversaw tremendous success with the facilities as they were under Spurrier and Meyer. But times change and Stricklin was a great replacement at AD. Unfortunately, UF is still playing catch up, but at least they’re trying to catch up.

 

[Smokeytom]

I’m not ignoring it, I disagree with it, because we have NO IDEA if it is true. Nobody will ever know how Mullen would have recruited at Tennessee. Everyone else is trying to lay out facts, you and one or two others are talking conjecture and speculation and hypotheticals.

I think Mullen would have done just as good as Pruitt at UT, maybe better, because UT is NOT a tough place to recruit to, great facilities, great town, tradition, fans, all that. PLUS, Mullen is a damn good coach and kids want to play for good coaches. If Derek Freaking Dooley and Butch Jones can hover around the top 10 at Tennessee, Dan Mullen can take it to top 5, in my opinion.

But again, we’ll NEVER know.

You do realize that I've made 3 posts in this thread, and that was my first related to the ongoing "debate," right?

You're also no where close to the point Bass made. Mullen took 17 in state kids because FL has the depth of talent to do so, and still land a top 10 class. If Pruitt took 17 in state kids we wouldn't break the top 25, much less be able to compete in the SEC. We took all but 1 or 2 of who we wanted in state. 6 of the top 10, which is big time seeing how 6 is half of the state's 4 stars. Oh, and not a single 5 star from TN, and yet, Pruitt still out recruited Mehlen this cycle.

 

[Jaws]

Of course Spurrier lost battles to those programs. 0-10? No.

0-10? Who went 0-10?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You do realize that I've made 3 posts in this thread, and that was my first related to the ongoing "debate," right?

You're also no where close to the point Bass made. Mullen took 17 in state kids because FL has the depth of talent to do so, and still land a top 10 class. If Pruitt took 17 in state kids we wouldn't break the top 25, much less be able to compete in the SEC. We took all but 1 or 2 of who we wanted in state. 6 of the top 10, which is big time seeing how 6 is half of the state's 4 stars. Oh, and not a single 5 star from TN, and yet, Pruitt still out recruited Mehlen this cycle.

Yep. But I’m done arguing with people whose IQ is lower than their age

 

[Smokeytom]

I’ll take your word for it that he hasn’t mined a bunch or 2 and 3 stars. I know he’s won 2 national titles and more ACC titles than I can count, and he’s long past needing to find diamonds in the ruff. I hate to bring it up, but if you’re looking for a dude who did a helluva job finding 2-3 stars and developing them into players and NFL draft picks, Dan Mullen has a whole bunch of that from his Miss State days.

But I know he’s hated here and he’ll never get any credit for that (from most). Some are willing to see that.

Lol brother multiple people here have said Mehlen is a fine coach.

Do you need someone to hold your hand?

 

[Jaws]

and yet Pruitt still out recruited Mehlen this cycle.

See, when you say things like this, you should back it up with a fact, otherwise it’s opinion.

Mullen is double digits ahead of Pruitt in 247’s composite ratings. That is the average of all three major services; Rivals, 247 and ESPN. Mullen is ahead there comfortably, 274.3 to 261.5. Even if UT signed Evans, that wouldn’t be enough to pass UF.

Yes, Rivals has UT one spot ahead of UF, but UF is a few spots ahead in 247 and ESPN.

I am NOT, for the 10th time at least, dissing UT’s class. I was impressed with it. I’m also impressed with Mullen’s. They’re both good.

Nothing supports your statement other than if you’re solely relying on Rivals, and even then, if Manuel or Britt or anyone else signs with UF, they’d jump ahead.

 

[Smokeytom]

Yep. But I’m done arguing with people whose IQ is lower than their age

yeah i'm going to let this thread die. Just trying to pull you from the fire as well lol

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

yeah i'm going to let this thread die. Just trying to pull you from the fire as well lol

Lol thanks. It’s easy to get caught up and start going in circles putting out the fires on straw men

 

[Smokeytom]

See, when you say things like this, you should back it up with a fact, otherwise it’s opinion.

Mullen is double digits ahead of Pruitt in 247’s composite ratings. That is the average of all three major services; Rivals, 247 and ESPN. Mullen is ahead there comfortably, 274.3 to 261.5. Even if UT signed Evans, that wouldn’t be enough to pass UF.

Yes, Rivals has UT one spot ahead of UF, but UF is a few spots ahead in 247 and ESPN.

I am NOT, for the 10th time at least, dissing UT’s class. I was impressed with it. I’m also impressed with Mullen’s. They’re both good.

Nothing supports your statement other than if you’re solely relying on Rivals, and even then, if Manuel or Britt or anyone else signs with UF, they’d jump ahead.

Lol

Quote the 1 sentence that was least relevant to the post. Nobody takes ESPN's rankings seriously btw. Take care guy you make for some really fun conversation.