Whats Next?/What is this country coming to? (merged)

#76
#76
Mayflower compact, read the beginnings of most all of the states constitutions, and there that part in the US constitution "We are indowed by our CREATOR". Just who created us? Man?

Wrong again. That was the declaration of independence. No where in the constitution is God, creator, Jesus, or any other religious person mentioned...not even in passing. If this country was to be founded and/or based on Judeo-Christian values, don't you think Jesus, or even God for that matter, would have been mentioned in the document that outlines our rights and structure of government?
 
#77
#77
this school board is honestly ran by a lot of _____________


if you knew the mismanagement of the money that went into the Heritage Campus, it would make you sick at your stomach, esp if you paid taxes in this county
 
#78
#78
Wrong again. That was the declaration of independence. No where in the constitution is God, creator, Jesus, or any other religious person mentioned...not even in passing. If this country was to be founded and/or based on Judeo-Christian values, don't you think Jesus, or even God for that matter, would have been mentioned in the document that outlines our rights and structure of government?

OR the fact that the founding fathers feared a single sect of christianity controling government, IE Anglicans in England, the Catholic church (pick a location) etc, not to prevent the discussion or free practice of it.
 
#80
#80
that's the Decl of Ind. This should also be entered (ratified unanimously by many of the founding fathers)

Article_11.GIF

Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1753: The worship of God is a duty; the hearing and reading of sermons may be useful; but, if men rest in hearing and praying, as too many do, it is as if a tree should value itself on being watered and putting forth leaves, though it never produce any fruit.

Woodrow Wilson, our 28th President (not a founding father, though) made some excellent observations. We have forgotten his words:

A man had deprived himself of the best in the world who has deprived himself of this, a knowledge of the Bible. When you have read the Bible, you will know it is the Word of God, because you will have found it the key of your own heart, your own happiness and your own duty. I am sorry for the men who do not read the Bible every day. I wonder why they deprive themselves of the strength and the pleasure.

George Washington wrote to his troops: The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage of this army, Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission, We have, therefore to resolve to conquer or die.

On March 11, 1792, President George Washington wrote: I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.

Samuel Adams said: Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.

John Adams on October 11, 1798 wrote: We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Benjamin Franklin in 1768 wrote: Nothing can contribute to true happiness that is inconsistent with duty; nor can a course of action conformable to it, be finally without an ample reward. For, God governs; and he is good.

Congress and President George Washington in 1789 passed the "United States Annotated Code", Article III states: Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.



Patrick Henry declared:
It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

That little highlighted and underlined part speaks volumes doesn't it!
 
#81
#81
just because the students at berley are lunatics doesnt mean the players and coaches are. the players are brought their for their playing ability, not their ability to hug a tree
 
#82
#82
OR the fact that the founding fathers feared a single sect of christianity controling government, IE Anglicans in England, the Catholic church (pick a location) etc, not to prevent the discussion or free practice of it.

Agreed....and nobody is saying people can't practice what they believe in their homes, or even on street corners and public events.

Personally, I think this whole story is much to do about nothing. The complainers need to get over it. I don't believe in God, but I don't complain at UT games or be disrespectful during the pregame prayer.

But this whole argument that we are a Christian nation and were founded on those principles is bogus.
 
#83
#83
Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1753: The worship of God is a duty; the hearing and reading of sermons may be useful; but, if men rest in hearing and praying, as too many do, it is as if a tree should value itself on being watered and putting forth leaves, though it never produce any fruit.

Woodrow Wilson, our 28th President (not a founding father, though) made some excellent observations. We have forgotten his words:

A man had deprived himself of the best in the world who has deprived himself of this, a knowledge of the Bible. When you have read the Bible, you will know it is the Word of God, because you will have found it the key of your own heart, your own happiness and your own duty. I am sorry for the men who do not read the Bible every day. I wonder why they deprive themselves of the strength and the pleasure.

George Washington wrote to his troops: The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage of this army, Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission, We have, therefore to resolve to conquer or die.

On March 11, 1792, President George Washington wrote: I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.

Samuel Adams said: Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.

John Adams on October 11, 1798 wrote: We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Benjamin Franklin in 1768 wrote: Nothing can contribute to true happiness that is inconsistent with duty; nor can a course of action conformable to it, be finally without an ample reward. For, God governs; and he is good.

Congress and President George Washington in 1789 passed the "United States Annotated Code", Article III states: Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.



Patrick Henry declared:
It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

That little highlighted and underlined part speaks volumes doesn't it!



thank you OV, took the words right out of my mouth
 
#84
#84
Agreed....and nobody is saying people can't practice what they believe in their homes, or even on street corners and public events.

Personally, I think this whole story is much to do about nothing. The complainers need to get over it. I don't believe in God, but I don't complain at UT games or be disrespectful during the pregame prayer.

But this whole argument that we are a Christian nation and were founded on those principles is bogus.

a football game is a public event, it is on public land, paid for by public funds
 
#85
#85
Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1753:

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That little highlighted and underlined part speaks volumes doesn't it!

and yet not a single one of them felt the need to put God in the Constitution in any way, shape or form. That says more to me than your highlighted quote ever could
 
#86
#86
Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1753: The worship of God is a duty; the hearing and reading of sermons may be useful; but, if men rest in hearing and praying, as too many do, it is as if a tree should value itself on being watered and putting forth leaves, though it never produce any fruit.

Woodrow Wilson, our 28th President (not a founding father, though) made some excellent observations. We have forgotten his words:

A man had deprived himself of the best in the world who has deprived himself of this, a knowledge of the Bible. When you have read the Bible, you will know it is the Word of God, because you will have found it the key of your own heart, your own happiness and your own duty. I am sorry for the men who do not read the Bible every day. I wonder why they deprive themselves of the strength and the pleasure.

George Washington wrote to his troops: The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage of this army, Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission, We have, therefore to resolve to conquer or die.

On March 11, 1792, President George Washington wrote: I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.

Samuel Adams said: Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.

John Adams on October 11, 1798 wrote: We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Benjamin Franklin in 1768 wrote: Nothing can contribute to true happiness that is inconsistent with duty; nor can a course of action conformable to it, be finally without an ample reward. For, God governs; and he is good.

Congress and President George Washington in 1789 passed the "United States Annotated Code", Article III states: Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.



Patrick Henry declared:
It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

That little highlighted and underlined part speaks volumes doesn't it!

There is a difference in personal opinion and the reality that is our national governance. Congress has a prayer said before session, but if they were to pass a law that prayer only be restricted to the Christian variety the Supreme Court would strike it down faster than you could say "Amen".
 
#87
#87
a football game is a public event, it is on public land, paid for by public funds

Right. And there is nothing constitutionally barring them from doing that. Same with prayers said at Congressional Sessions. As long as the government isn't establishing or specifically endorsing a single religious doctrine they can do what they want.
 
#88
#88
Right. And there is nothing constitutionally barring them from doing that. Same with prayers said at Congressional Sessions. As long as the government is establishing or specifically endorsing a single religious doctrine they can do what they want.

and in this instant they are not.
 
#89
#89
Wrong again. That was the declaration of independence. No where in the constitution is God, creator, Jesus, or any other religious person mentioned...not even in passing. If this country was to be founded and/or based on Judeo-Christian values, don't you think Jesus, or even God for that matter, would have been mentioned in the document that outlines our rights and structure of government?

Sorry about that but don't you think the Declaration of Independence holds any weight to what our founding fathers truly believed? Or is that paper just to be ignored?

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —
 
#90
#90
Sorry about that but don't you think the Declaration of Independence holds any weight to what our founding fathers truly believed? Or is that paper just to be ignored?

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —

Where in the Declaration of Independence do you get that "God" or "Creator" is the judeo-christian one?

And besides that, the absence of any religous figure in The Constitution of the United States speaks volumes more.
 
#92
#92
Where in the Declaration of Independence do you get that "God" or "Creator" is the judeo-christian one?

And besides that, the absence of any religous figure in The Constitution of the United States speaks volumes more.

Providence, the 18th century term for God, the Almighty, not a god
 
#93
#93
rjd, do you not think that our founding fathers wanted away from state run religion? Thats what England had and they did not want to force beilefs upon the population. To keep the US government from from starting a state religion. No one would be happy with this. Thats what Islam is. Their government wants everyone to believe in Islam and will even force you to or kill you if they take over. For proof, just look at what happens to someone that leaves Islam for Christianity? They kill them.

Christianity doesn't teach that. The only thing that happens with someone that leaves is we pray for them.

No one trys to force Christianity down anyones throat unless they are complete nut jobs. And there are some of those out there but they are not true Christians, just in a title. Christianity is for everyone if they choose to accept or reject. A person has that choice. I did, you do, and every other human being on the planet. Free will.
 
#94
#94
Where in the Declaration of Independence do you get that "God" or "Creator" is the judeo-christian one?

And besides that, the absence of any religous figure in The Constitution of the United States speaks volumes more.

I refer you back to my "underlined and high-lighted post that speaks volumes."
 
#95
#95
I'm going to crosspost from the other thread about this.

I say let them do it but only on the condition that it has to be some bad ass quote from the old testament about smiting the enemy and taking their wives. :cool:
 
#96
#96
I'm going to crosspost from the other thread about this.

Ha!

Two can play at this!

I have no desire to see a theocracy and I also wish people would get out of their parents basements and get lives.

Stop pissing on trivial matters!


I mean, who remembers this idiot...

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#99
#99
We go by laws in this country, not Patrick Henry quotes or the Declaration.

So what ever the law says, good or bad, its ok? Just because a judge with a robe says so? What happens if Child Molestation becomes law, will you say "We go by laws in this country"?
 
So what ever the law says, good or bad, its ok? Just because a judge with a robe says so? What happens if Child Molestation becomes law, will you say "We go by laws in this country"?

Like I said, only when it suits his political agenda.
 

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