What's the Problem

[Sudden Impact]

I cannot think that Dave Hart cares any less about the interests of TN than Phil Fulmer, because at the end of the day its their very high paying jobs to do what's in the best interest of TN athletics. Fulmer cares a great deal about TN, but I don't think he would be working any harder than Dave Hart is right now.

Also, how do you know that he wouldn't have had to deal with Cheek as much?? There is a chain of command in place and as much as it might suck or be broken currently it still has to be followed.

As much as people want the AD to go rogue it can't and won't happen....

Hart better care just as much about UT Athletics and I would never question that.

There is no work to be done right now.

There is a chain of command in place, but do you really think that the Management by Exception is utilized.

As a leader and boss, I can Program you for failure, Program you for success, Cheek has made decisions regarding Tennessee Athletic Programs that are not in their best interest. It does not have to totally revert to the good ole days but there needs to be more balance.

This is not a thread about Pearl.

 

[Sudden Impact]

This is the reason the CBP post, rants etc.. should stop. The players have enough on their shoulders that they don't need the BS about the coaching situation. This should if it hasn't already given the fans a true feeling about Conzo leadership of the team. The last questions for the players was do you want to comment on the hiring of CBP at Auburn, every player dropped their head as if to say REALLY.

Be done with it, CBP will make his bed at Auburn and you can BOOK IT that. He is a NOT the person most of you think you know and it will show in time. OP is trying to point out some of he interesting time line hiring of CBP to the BLIND VFL' on this board.

2014 NCAA Tournament: Tennessee Players Pre-Iowa Press Conference - YouTube

These guys couldn't give two s***s about the players.

The team looked focused, that question was out of line. Maymon and McRae handled it well.

 

[jw0595]

The Problem is Five Fold and there is enough to go around for all..

Five contributors to where we are today. Hamilton, The NCAA, Cheek, Hart, and Pearl.

Cheek - Academic Standards, wants to be the Florida and Stanford's of the NCAA. Money pulled from AD and is happy with Mediocrity. Really has no clue. Evidently Micro Managing the AD Department.
At any level in the Public school system, the Administrators are usually the worst at money or project management. Cheek cannot handle the job.

Actually the problem is this: UT is an institute of HIGHER LEARNING. You should have high academic standards. Athletes should be student-athletes and not simply auditioning for the next level. Micro-managing the athletic department is probably a necessity to ensure that he keeps his job. Sports fans have lost all perspective about college athletics. Does it seem right to you that the highest paid employees of the state are coaches? Doesn't that reflect a warped set of priorities?

 

[jkleno]

I don't blame Pearl at all for taking the job. UT would never pay that for a basketball coach so it's a wash. I have let go with the Pearl thing.

The only thing Pearl proved is that UT BB can be relevant with the right coach, the problem is do we have the right President, AD, and BOT that are willing to make the effort and pay the money to hire one when it comes time.

Pearl is gone and is off the Grid. He, the fans and the University got shafted by the NCAA, but our mess is self inflicted by all listed above due to incompetency.

Bottom line is NOT to lie to the NCAA. Bruce should have known better (i.e. Dez Bryant).

 

[Sudden Impact]

So much in the OP's rant to dispute...but so little time.

Right off the top - our tax dollars are not being mismanaged on UT athletics, because the athletic department is a self-supporting entity.

Yea you are right, there are zero tax dollars paying salaries, building buildings, providing local support/security for games, and the list goes on and on because out AD is ran like a NFL franchise.

You are wrong, but that is ok.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

There is LOT wrong with this thread.

A LOT.

 

[Shakinthefat]

BP cheated then lied while at UT. Let AU have him.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

So much in the OP's rant to dispute...but so little time.

Right off the top - our tax dollars are not being mismanaged on UT athletics, because the athletic department is a self-supporting entity.

Okay, so I'm not the only one who noticed.

 

[whobethis16]

Yea you are right, there are zero tax dollars paying salaries, building buildings, providing local support/security for games, and the list goes on and on because out AD is ran like a NFL franchise.

You are wrong, but that is ok.

I'm almost positive the Athletic Department pays to have extra KPD officers there, meaning the tax dollars are not funding that. And, I believe the officers sign up to work because they get a stipend to do it.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Yea you are right, there are zero tax dollars paying salaries, building buildings, providing local support/security for games, and the list goes on and on because out AD is ran like a NFL franchise.

You are wrong, but that is ok.

No, you are wrong. That's why we have donors. They supply money for upgrades, salaries, etc. As a matter of fact, the athletic department WAS donating 7 mil a year to academics until Hart temporarily suspended the donation.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Actually the problem is this: UT is an institute of HIGHER LEARNING. You should have high academic standards. Athletes should be student-athletes and not simply auditioning for the next level. Micro-managing the athletic department is probably a necessity to ensure that he keeps his job. Sports fans have lost all perspective about college athletics. Does it seem right to you that the highest paid employees of the state are coaches? Doesn't that reflect a warped set of priorities?

This argument has gone on for years.

Athletes at the University should not get any preferential treatment Academically over any academic scholarship student.

However, the all schools demand more from Athletes outside of the classroom. Academic Standards for admission to the school should be applied across the board for all not raised.

Can a student Athlete get into other schools of Higher Learning versus Tennessee? Did Cheek succeed in raising the bar that put scholarship Athletes seeking to play any sport for Tennessee at a disadvantage? Was the standard above other schools? Is Tennessee running its own clearinghouse above and beyond the NCAA and other NCAA schools?

So you are telling me that zero Tax Dollars are used in the AD, you have to look beyond the surface.

 

[JMSqb11]

It's going to take a while for everyone that loves Pearl to realize that Pearl only loves himself. He could careless about us, our fan base, our tradition, etc...we were just a job to him that paid him a huge salary and buyout. I wanted him back, but that's before he showed his true colors. Just glad to get Tony Jones and Steven Pearl out of Knoxville and I don't even live there. Stevie boy is going to live off his daddy. Crazy how you can graduate and play at a school and you say "War D*** Eagle" just like that. We didn't want you as a Vol anyways. You took away from Maymon and didn't even deserve it you douche.

I don't buy that... yet. There is no way he stays around Knoxville for 2.5 years and host one of the biggest fundraisers to date for our school. Sure, he caused all this mess, but Hamilton/Cheek only added gas to the fire by standing by him and then the day before the Michigan game, they all but say they are canning him. I take both Peals' comments as an F-U to Cheek/Hart/Hamilton and others because at the end of the day, UT can do better than Martin and Bruce proved that. Because if I'm Bruce right now, I am laughing at the fact that Cheek and Hart think they are running the best and most efficient AD in country like they claim.

 

[JMSqb11]

This argument has gone on for years.

Athletes at the University should not get any preferential treatment Academically over any academic scholarship student.

However, the all schools demand more from Athletes outside of the classroom. Academic Standards for admission to the school should be applied across the board for all not raised.

Can a student Athlete get into other schools of Higher Learning versus Tennessee? Did Cheek succeed in raising the bar that put scholarship Athletes seeking to play any sport for Tennessee at a disadvantage? Was the standard above other schools? Is Tennessee running its own clearinghouse above and beyond the NCAA and other NCAA schools?

A rookie in the NFL or NBA could right a check for 50K to their university as early as age 19 or 20 more easily than a 22 or 23 year old Academic student could. That is how the slide from less priority on academics to more on athletics started.

 

[Sudden Impact]

A rookie in the NFL or NBA could right a check for 50K to their university as early as age 19 or 20 more easily than a 22 or 23 year old Academic student could. That is how the slide from less priority on academics to more on athletics started.

Yea but you exploited the Athlete knowing he would be able to write that check and that he was going onto a possible career in the NFL. Student athletes have more out of the classroom placed on them. Some can handled it, some cannot.

I don't want the standards lowered, I want equality if they don't make it through the NCAA Clearinghouse then so be it.

"write" a check, not "right" a check.

 

[JMSqb11]

Yea but you exploited the Athlete knowing he would be able to write that check and that he was going onto a possible career in the NFL. Student athletes have more out of the classroom placed on them. Some can handled it, some cannot.

I don't want the standards lowered, I want equality if they don't make it through the NCAA Clearinghouse then so be it.

"write" a check, not "right" a check.

:hi:

 

[feathersax]

It's going to take a while for everyone that loves Pearl to realize that Pearl only loves himself. He could careless about us, our fan base, our tradition, etc...we were just a job to him that paid him a huge salary and buyout. I wanted him back, but that's before he showed his true colors. Just glad to get Tony Jones and Steven Pearl out of Knoxville and I don't even live there. Stevie boy is going to live off his daddy. Crazy how you can graduate and play at a school and you say "War D*** Eagle" just like that. We didn't want you as a Vol anyways. You took away from Maymon and didn't even deserve it you douche.

Grind that ax & speak for yourself.

 

[feathersax]

boogety-boogety:crazy:
Mindful of a song we sang as kids: "Everybody's doin' it, doin' it, doin' it...pickin' their nose & chewin' it, chewin' it...eatin' it like candy, candy...but it's S'NOT!"

 

[VolGee4]

I don't buy that... yet. There is no way he stays around Knoxville for 2.5 years and host one of the biggest fundraisers to date for our school. Sure, he caused all this mess, but Hamilton/Cheek only added gas to the fire by standing by him and then the day before the Michigan game, they all but say they are canning him. I take both Peals' comments as an F-U to Cheek/Hart/Hamilton and others because at the end of the day, UT can do better than Martin and Bruce proved that. Because if I'm Bruce right now, I am laughing at the fact that Cheek and Hart think they are running the best and most efficient AD in country like they claim.

Why would Pearl say "F-U" to Hart? Hart wasn't the one who fired him. Plus, Hart didn't have the chance to rehire him. Pearl took another job before there was a chance at an opening at UT.

I don't really understand where Hart fits into the BP saga. He didn't fire him; he couldn't hire him. People need to let that go.

 

[Tennman]

i find it interesting the lead investigator for the NCAA during the Pearl incident is now on the Ath. department at Auburn where he is now coaching. just saying.

 

[jw0595]

This argument has gone on for years.

Athletes at the University should not get any preferential treatment Academically over any academic scholarship student.

However, the all schools demand more from Athletes outside of the classroom. Academic Standards for admission to the school should be applied across the board for all not raised.

Can a student Athlete get into other schools of Higher Learning versus Tennessee? Did Cheek succeed in raising the bar that put scholarship Athletes seeking to play any sport for Tennessee at a disadvantage? Was the standard above other schools? Is Tennessee running its own clearinghouse above and beyond the NCAA and other NCAA schools?

So you are telling me that zero Tax Dollars are used in the AD, you have to look beyond the surface.

My argument actually goes further than that. I don't think state sponsored schools should be in the business of professional athletics. If you want to have a football team that plays other schools made up of students that are willing to commit to playing on an extracurricular activity that's fine, but when a football team has it's own jet, it has become something other than a school football team. Let the SEC become a professional sports league (officially that is, we all know that it already is one). The college football games are not for students/alumni anymore, they are for whoever can fork over the most money. I think that is a reach far beyond what a state university should be.

 

[Sudden Impact]

i find it interesting the lead investigator for the NCAA during the Pearl incident is now on the Ath. department at Auburn where he is now coaching. just saying.

That should tell us a lot.

The lead NCAA investigator approved this hiring and gave the Go ahead to the AD.

Auburn threw a substantial amount of money at him that We would have never considered.

UT doesn't have a vacancy anyway.

There will be better coaches when/if we have an opening.

It will be a matter of timing, money and if the Administration wants BB relevant again.

Marshall would be a great hire but I don't think he can Recruit to the University's academic standards.

 

[jimallvol]

It's going to take a while for everyone that loves Pearl to realize that Pearl only loves himself. He could careless about us, our fan base, our tradition, etc...we were just a job to him that paid him a huge salary and buyout. I wanted him back, but that's before he showed his true colors. Just glad to get Tony Jones and Steven Pearl out of Knoxville and I don't even live there. Stevie boy is going to live off his daddy. Crazy how you can graduate and play at a school and you say "War D*** Eagle" just like that. We didn't want you as a Vol anyways. You took away from Maymon and didn't even deserve it you douche.

I agree that really surprised me that S Pearl said that with him being a x Tn player. That goes to show his true side. Plus your right he's going to live off his daddy his whole life.

 

[Shaun1985]

You guys are working overtime to be miserable. Let's save the doom and gloom for when we lose in the tournament. We have a whole offseason to be sad and angry. This is a happy time

 

[JMSqb11]

That should tell us a lot.

The lead NCAA investigator approved this hiring and gave the Go ahead to the AD.

Auburn threw a substantial amount of money at him that We would have never considered.

UT doesn't have a vacancy anyway.

There will be better coaches when/if we have an opening.

It will be a matter of timing, money and if the Administration wants BB relevant again.

Marshall would be a great hire but I don't think he can Recruit to the University's academic standards.

First off, people need to get over Greg Marshall. We blatantly pushed him away when he wanted to come here. Secondly, people need to get off Bruce's case. The minute he didn't come here (Which I wanted), everyone started discrediting his ability. "He isn't getting a talented team dropped in his lap like at UT. Or he can't build them." He took the best job that was gonna offer. He also made it clear with immediately joining Auburn, that he wanted to be in the SEC. For weeks people have been saying that Bruce was coming back to the SEC and that is should be us before he takes a team against us. Shocker!!!! This AD and Admin is enemic and don't care about making moves that clearly separates winners and losers. I wanted Bruce and he isn't here. I must move on. But, that is not saying the 35k people who signed that petition should just shut up now. There is a problem with the Admin and AD. Do something about it. Blow up the phones and email. Get 50 people to go to those offices to make your point made. Get a collection of people giving 15 second videos via social media or email on why they are upset fans of THE University of Tennessee. We are in a bad period that I have never seen or heard of with other schools where there are multiple programs that are close to being bottom dwellers or ashes at the same time.


See y'all tonight!

 

[JMSqb11]

I agree that really surprised me that S Pearl said that with him being a x Tn player. That goes to show his true side. Plus your right he's going to live off his daddy his whole life.

Whats the problem? He is now employed at Auburn. It is like all of y'all expect Bruce to coach his ass off everygame except vs us because he is a former coach and his son is a former player. John Chavis didn't do it. Pat Summit's former players didn't do it. Quit acting like they turned their back on UT because they didn't. UT (Cheek/Hamilton) did first.