When is it appropriate to hit the panic button?????

#51
#51
I agree that it bothers me to see the great players in this state leave. But fact is, that happens in every SEC state. The only issue here is we have a smaller D1 talent pool...

... which begs the question, why? Why does Tennessee not develop good football talent? We've got four major metropolitan areas with a combined population of about 4 million, just a little smaller than Atlanta's metro. We've got a great mix of rural, private, suburban, and urban schools. What's the problem? Is it coaching? Are we all still running the triple option???

It seems like for us to continue showing up on the lists of fattest states in the country, we should at least be stockpiled with lineman, right??? I guess we still have to get our QB's from the left coast.

BTW, Knowshaun Moreno is from Jersey, not Georgia.
 
#52
#52
Usually coaching and emphasis have the most to do with the quality of football being played. It will improve over time... but it does take time. The best thing CPF or UT could do is start trying to place former players as coaches around the state.
 
#53
#53
justingroves said:
But this nonsense about "UGA is outrecruiting Tennessee" ... is stupid.
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How is it stupid? There are two possible things that you could be denying, so I'm going to ask which one: (1) Are you denying that UGA, Florida, LSU, and now Bama are out recruiting us? (2) Or are you denying the impact that recruiting has on the state of college football programs over the long term.

If you are denying #1, well, then, you are simply incorrect.

If you are denying #2, well, then, you are also incorrect.

Can you think of a dominant, juggernaut team in recent memory that wasn't preceded by several consecutive years of top recruiting classes? Do you really believe that talent doesn't matter--that Temple could beat LSU/USC/OU if they had better coaching?

I mean, really, do you believe that?

I don't. Talent makes the difference

And while I don't think that a team's success is dictated 100% by the rankings of the recruits they land, there can be no denying that at a certain level of talent disparity, the more talented team will win regardles

A shetland pony has never won the Kentucky Derby. That is a fact.
 
#54
#54
kidbourbon said:
And while I don't think that a team's success is dictated 100% by the rankings of the recruits they land, there can be no denying that at a certain level of talent disparity, the more talented team will win regardles
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I direct you to the Michigan/Appy State game earlier this year. On your way back check the Navy/Notre Dame game too. :good!:
 
#55
#55
MontereyVol said:
I direct you to the Michigan/Appy State game earlier this year. On your way back check the Navy/Notre Dame game too. :good!:
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So, any time there is an upset, that proves that recruiting doesn't matter? Think big picture, my friend.
Is appy state going to a BCS game? No. Teams like USC, UGA, and LSU are. Why? Because they have the horses. Recruiting.
 
#56
#56
kidbourbon said:
How is it stupid? There are two possible things that you could be denying, so I'm going to ask which one: (1) Are you denying that UGA, Florida, LSU, and now Bama are out recruiting us? (2) Or are you denying the impact that recruiting has on the state of college football programs over the long term.

If you are denying #1, well, then, you are simply incorrect.

If you are denying #2, well, then, you are also incorrect.

Can you think of a dominant, juggernaut team in recent memory that wasn't preceded by several consecutive years of top recruiting classes? Do you really believe that talent doesn't matter--that Temple could beat LSU/USC/OU if they had better coaching?

I mean, really, do you believe that?

I don't. Talent makes the difference

And while I don't think that a team's success is dictated 100% by the rankings of the recruits they land, there can be no denying that at a certain level of talent disparity, the more talented team will win regardles

A shetland pony has never won the Kentucky Derby. That is a fact.
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The only tangible evidence we have of recruiting is that which is presented on Saturdays in the fall. Florida and LSU were the only two teams that seemed to be head and shoulders above the Vols last year. Georgia did not.

Before you bash the opinion, know that I have been banging the talent drum as loudly as anyone on the board. There is nothing worse than looking overmatched. Georgia simply doesn't belong on the list yet.
 
#57
#57
kidbourbon said:
How is it stupid? There are two possible things that you could be denying, so I'm going to ask which one: (1) Are you denying that UGA, Florida, LSU, and now Bama are out recruiting us? (2) Or are you denying the impact that recruiting has on the state of college football programs over the long term.

If you are denying #1, well, then, you are simply incorrect.

If you are denying #2, well, then, you are also incorrect.

Can you think of a dominant, juggernaut team in recent memory that wasn't preceded by several consecutive years of top recruiting classes? Do you really believe that talent doesn't matter--that Temple could beat LSU/USC/OU if they had better coaching?

I mean, really, do you believe that?

I don't. Talent makes the difference

And while I don't think that a team's success is dictated 100% by the rankings of the recruits they land, there can be no denying that at a certain level of talent disparity, the more talented team will win regardles

A shetland pony has never won the Kentucky Derby. That is a fact.
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I'm not denying either. Saban will always recruit well. UGA always has a top 15 class.

I look at the fact that Tennessee has kicked UGA's ass the past two seasons as proof that UGA isn't as talented as Tennessee. Tennessee is 3-1 the past 4 seasons against UGA.

UGA went a calendar year without beating a SEC East team. They squeaked by Vandy to do that.

5 star Receivers go to UGA to watch their careers die.
 
#58
#58
I'm starting to agree... I've been on rivals.com this morning.. only 4 of the top 25 prospects haven't commited.. All the rest are taken and commited..
Plus.. the 4 that are left over... aren't even considering Tennesssee in there list.

There are only 1 or 2 from 25- 50...

Do we really need to have a great recruiting class this year or will we be okay?
 
#59
#59
kidbourbon said:
So, any time there is an upset, that proves that recruiting doesn't matter? Think big picture, my friend.
Is appy state going to a BCS game? No. Teams like USC, UGA, and LSU are. Why? Because they have the horses. Recruiting.
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Appy state is playing for the national title tonight though...
 
#60
#60
rocky top buzz said:
I agree that it bothers me to see the great players in this state leave. But fact is, that happens in every SEC state. The only issue here is we have a smaller D1 talent pool...

... which begs the question, why? Why does Tennessee not develop good football talent? We've got four major metropolitan areas with a combined population of about 4 million, just a little smaller than Atlanta's metro. We've got a great mix of rural, private, suburban, and urban schools. What's the problem? Is it coaching? Are we all still running the triple option???

It seems like for us to continue showing up on the lists of fattest states in the country, we should at least be stockpiled with lineman, right??? I guess we still have to get our QB's from the left coast.

BTW, Knowshaun Moreno is from Jersey, not Georgia.
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I live 45 minutes north of Atlanta and have a 10 year old son who has been playing football (full pads football) since he was 5 years old. At age 9 he was approached to "try out" for a Travel Football League (North Metro Football League - Youth Football League in North Atlanta Metro Area) designed as a "feeder" to the local high schools. The best youth players in the county are in this league so the competition is amazing. They start in July and are given the High School Playbook to begin learning the schemes.....AT AGE 9! Same offense, same defense, same terminology, etc. Therefore, it is second nature to them when they get to High School. They are controlled by local booster clubs who don't relay on county support. NO DADDYBALL....Each organization has a board of directors who EXTENSIVELY RECRUIT AND INTERVIEW PROSPECTIVE COACHES! They have the best facilities, equipment and a team of 6-8 coaches. They watch film and have scouting reports, gameplans, etc. Most of the kids in this league don't even play Middle School Football.
On the flip side, I have a nephew who is also 10 years old and lives in Dunlap, TN. He just finished his first year of football and was coached by my brother.......his dad........
I am sure there are some similar organizations in parts of TN but it sure seems like they start early down here.
 
#61
#61
UT4EVER said:
I live 45 minutes north of Atlanta and have a 10 year old son who has been playing football (full pads football) since he was 5 years old. At age 9 he was approached to "try out" for a Travel Football League (North Metro Football League - Youth Football League in North Atlanta Metro Area) designed as a "feeder" to the local high schools. The best youth players in the county are in this league so the competition is amazing. They start in July and are given the High School Playbook to begin learning the schemes.....AT AGE 9! Same offense, same defense, same terminology, etc. Therefore, it is second nature to them when they get to High School. They are controlled by local booster clubs who don't relay on county support. NO DADDYBALL....Each organization has a board of directors who EXTENSIVELY RECRUIT AND INTERVIEW PROSPECTIVE COACHES! They have the best facilities, equipment and a team of 6-8 coaches. They watch film and have scouting reports, gameplans, etc. Most of the kids in this league don't even play Middle School Football.
On the flip side, I have a nephew who is also 10 years old and lives in Dunlap, TN. He just finished his first year of football and was coached by my brother.......his dad........
I am sure there are some similar organizations in parts of TN but it sure seems like they start early down here.
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Wow, interesting...
 
#62
#62
Duckhook said:
Not to be overly dramatic, but what in the world is going on with recruiting? With Chris Jordan commiting to Bama, that makes 3 of the top 5 players in-state leaving with Saban. We don't exactly have a lot of in-state talent to choose from, and this is a concerning precedent. That leaves us the regional and national base that Fulmer has made a living off of. Only problem is, the big dogs are walking early this year, and almost all of the rivals 100 have commited. As it sits, I'm afraid we will have to scramble to just sign an average class....the 2nd of its kind in 3 years, with a great class in-between. This is not how programs are turned around, how championships are won, or how Florida and Georgia are caught. I know CPF believes last year's class will win a national title, but it won't without help. Frustrating, especially while Meyer and Richt continue to stockpile.....and now Saban is clipping along at a speed unseen in Tuscaloosa in over a decade. Make no mistake: he will turn that program around in record time, and he'll do it the right way. It's only going to get tougher folks, and all I see is a slouching toward mediocrity. :whistling:
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Any year we don't have at least a 3/1 ratio in wins vs losses.
 
#63
#63
UT4EVER said:
I live 45 minutes north of Atlanta and have a 10 year old son who has been playing football (full pads football) since he was 5 years old. At age 9 he was approached to "try out" for a Travel Football League (North Metro Football League - Youth Football League in North Atlanta Metro Area) designed as a "feeder" to the local high schools. The best youth players in the county are in this league so the competition is amazing. They start in July and are given the High School Playbook to begin learning the schemes.....AT AGE 9! Same offense, same defense, same terminology, etc. Therefore, it is second nature to them when they get to High School. They are controlled by local booster clubs who don't relay on county support. NO DADDYBALL....Each organization has a board of directors who EXTENSIVELY RECRUIT AND INTERVIEW PROSPECTIVE COACHES! They have the best facilities, equipment and a team of 6-8 coaches. They watch film and have scouting reports, gameplans, etc. Most of the kids in this league don't even play Middle School Football.
On the flip side, I have a nephew who is also 10 years old and lives in Dunlap, TN. He just finished his first year of football and was coached by my brother.......his dad........
I am sure there are some similar organizations in parts of TN but it sure seems like they start early down here.
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These youth football league are "for profit" organizations that have come about because the state of GA does not have Middle School sports. They create this illusion that "if your son does not play in this youth organization, he has NO CHANCE of playing in HS or college". You sir have bought into the hype. A HS coach will play the best players when they get to HS, no matter how much MONEY you have paid this organization to coach your kid.
I hope your son is an All-American someday, but don't get sucked into the garbage that is "youth sports" here in GA.
 
#64
#64
T-TownVol said:
These youth football league are "for profit" organizations that have come about because the state of GA does not have Middle School sports. They create this illusion that "if your son does not play in this youth organization, he has NO CHANCE of playing in HS or college". You sir have bought into the hype. A HS coach will play the best players when they get to HS, no matter how much MONEY you have paid this organization to coach your kid.
I hope your son is an All-American someday, but don't get sucked into the garbage that is "youth sports" here in GA.
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This may be correct with many organizations in GA but don't assume this is the case everywhere.

1. The state of GA DOES have Middle School Football. There are 6 middle school football teams in my county alone. Metro Atlanta is the only area I know of that doesn't have much Middle School Football. Pretty much the rest of the state does.
2. The park that we played at is "non profit".
3. The big MONEY you refer to above was $145.00.... It costs $255.00 for COUNTY REC FOOTBALL....We paid $400 ONLY BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR TEAMS FIRST YEAR. The extra $145.00 went to purchase the equipment.

Agreed....A HS coach is going to play the best kids and there is no guarantee that anyone in this league will succeed at the high school or college level. However, most kids in this league will be better PREPARED based on the competition level and experience. That was my only point.....
 
#65
#65
UT4EVER said:
This may be correct with many organizations in GA but don't assume this is the case everywhere.

1. The state of GA DOES have Middle School Football. There are 6 middle school football teams in my county alone. Metro Atlanta is the only area I know of that doesn't have much Middle School Football. Pretty much the rest of the state does.
2. The park that we played at is "non profit".
3. The big MONEY you refer to above was $145.00.... It costs $255.00 for COUNTY REC FOOTBALL....We paid $400 ONLY BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR TEAMS FIRST YEAR. The extra $145.00 went to purchase the equipment.

Agreed....A HS coach is going to play the best kids and there is no guarantee that anyone in this league will succeed at the high school or college level. However, most kids in this league will be better PREPARED based on the competition level and experience. That was my only point.....
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I am refering to this "travel team" that your son has been asked to "try out" for. I played college ball with someone that is the GM of one of these leagues. He pulls a six figure income from this "non profit" leagues and laughs all the way to the banks. The parents are living their sports dreams through their kids. That is the reality of it.
 
#66
#66
T-TownVol said:
I am refering to this "travel team" that your son has been asked to "try out" for. I played college ball with someone that is the GM of one of these leagues. He pulls a six figure income from this "non profit" leagues and laughs all the way to the banks. The parents are living their sports dreams through their kids. That is the reality of it.
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I am not disagreeing with you. I know that stuff goes on. Just pointing out that not ALL situations are as you explain. This is certainly not the case with our team....
 
#67
#67
T-TownVol said:
I am refering to this "travel team" that your son has been asked to "try out" for. I played college ball with someone that is the GM of one of these leagues. He pulls a six figure income from this "non profit" leagues and laughs all the way to the banks. The parents are living their sports dreams through their kids. That is the reality of it.
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Same with little league baseball
 
#68
#68
Agreed.

However, like it or not....agree or disagree....This stuff is going on all over the country and will continue to do so.

This original discussion came up from the following post:

... which begs the question, why? Why does Tennessee not develop good football talent? We've got four major metropolitan areas with a combined population of about 4 million, just a little smaller than Atlanta's metro. We've got a great mix of rural, private, suburban, and urban schools. What's the problem? Is it coaching? Are we all still running the triple option???

I was simply stating my opinion based on what I have seen and experienced here in GA. That's all.

Go Vols!!:rock:
 
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