When Muslims become 51% of the Majority in over all population ...

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Vol423 said:
What's so special about 51%?
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magic Bullet number that allows in all circumstances to control the population. It can be done with less depending on the percentages of other groups but 51% trumps all no matter how you slice it.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
magic Bullet number that allows in all circumstances to control the population. It can be done with less depending on the percentages of other groups but 51% trumps all no matter how you slice it.
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It doesn't take 51% to have a majority. It takes 50% plus one.
 
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gsvol said:
“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country.”
Barack Hussein Obama


LIKE HELL!! :nono:

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

FrontPage Magazine - What Islam Isn't

Amazon.com: Slavery, Terrorism & Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat (9780958454988): Peter Hammond: Books
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I know.

I too am worried about the new Muslim inquisition of sorts. Mentally prepared for either suicide bomby-type stuff, or especially iron maidens.

Expect the worst, they're comin to git us.
 
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milohimself said:
I know.

I too am worried about the new Muslim inquisition of sorts. Mentally prepared for either suicide bomby-type stuff, or especially iron maidens.

Expect the worst, they're comin to git us.
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Somewhere right now a woman is waiting to be stoned by a group of Muslims for "maybe" committing adultry and she's not laughing.
 
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milohimself said:
I know.

I too am worried about the new Muslim inquisition of sorts. Mentally prepared for either suicide bomby-type stuff, or especially iron maidens.

Expect the worst, they're comin to git us.
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Yuck it up. Christians in the Sudan, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, and even Kenya think that mockery is hilarious.

The French probably think you are funny too.

If you honestly do not think there is a danger then try an experiment. Get some NT's from the Gideons, fly to say Saudi Arabia or even a moderate Islamic majority country like Turkey and start handing them out on the street.

I know folks would rather not think about it but non-muslims die in Islamic countries because of religion. I will give you an easier out... just look up the publication "Voice of Martyrs" on the internet.
 
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sjt18 said:
The problem with that view is the founding texts.

Read the NT. You will find "soldiers" willing to die for their faith but not kill for it. You'll find commandments for Christians to show kindness to their oppressors and enemies. You will find absolutes concerning morality... that you do the right thing and leave the consequences to God. You will find commandments to witness the Gospel to the whole world but nowhere the allowance that anyone should be forced to believe or persecuted if they do not.

Read the Quran. You will find that Islam divides the world into two- the world of Islam and the world of War. You will find commandments to kill or subjugate non-muslims. You will find that it is OK to suspend moral laws against stealing, lying, murder, etc when fighting jihad.

A "fundamental" Christian is someone who believes what he does enough to die for it and to never kill for it. He will try to convince you but never to force you to believe his message. Forcing or murdering a non-believer is contrary and destructive to the kingdom he is devoted to advance.

A "fundamental" Muslim is someone who believes his religion commands him to bring the world under the house of Islam. He would rather convince you to convert but will force or even kill you if necessary to advance the cause of Islam.
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Our only saving grace against Christianity today is that its so fragmented (thanks to the Protestant Reformation) that one sect cannot force its will on the rest of us by the edge of the sword.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Our only saving grace against Christianity today is that its so fragmented (thanks to the Protestant Reformation) that one sect cannot force its will on the rest of us by the edge of the sword.
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Read the NT. It defines what Christianity is, and is not. You will not find a single text that permits Christ's followers to use a sword to force their will on anyone.

The first group this "Christianity" you speak of would have to destroy... is real, Bible believing Christians. IOW's, your only saving grace against "Christianity" is Christian belief in the Christian Bible.

FWIW, no such saving grace exists to save us from secular humanism.
 
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sjt18 said:
Read the NT. It defines what Christianity is, and is not. You will not find a single text that permits Christ's followers to use a sword to force their will on anyone.

The first group this "Christianity" you speak of would have to destroy... is real, Bible believing Christians. IOW's, your only saving grace against "Christianity" is Christian belief in the Christian Bible.

FWIW, no such saving grace exists to save us from secular humanism.
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It really doesn't matter what Christianity preaches the only thing that matters is how its used. Islam is used to forcibly convert or kill non-believers, Christianity has a deep history of doing the same thing up until the Protestant Reformation.
 
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sjt18 said:
Read the NT. It defines what Christianity is, and is not. You will not find a single text that permits Christ's followers to use a sword to force their will on anyone.

The first group this "Christianity" you speak of would have to destroy... is real, Bible believing Christians. IOW's, your only saving grace against "Christianity" is Christian belief in the Christian Bible.

FWIW, no such saving grace exists to save us from secular humanism.
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Amen.

Well said.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Our only saving grace against Christianity today is that its so fragmented (thanks to the Protestant Reformation) that one sect cannot force its will on the rest of us by the edge of the sword.
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What Christian have you been talking to that wants to "lift a sword?"
 
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And groups such as the Spanish Inqusisition killed thousands in the name of Christianity. If you say that is not true Christianity, good. I believe you. I really do.

But the majority of Muslims also claim that extremists who resort to violence, not unlike numerous self-proclaimed Christian groups throughout history, are not true Muslims.

Why the double standard?
 
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milohimself said:
And groups such as the Spanish Inqusisition killed thousands in the name of Christianity. If you say that is not true Christianity, good. I believe you. I really do.

But the majority of Muslims also claim that extremists who resort to violence, not unlike numerous self-proclaimed Christian groups throughout history, are not true Muslims.

Why the double standard?
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Are all muslims terrorizing killers of non muslims/non converts? No, thats pretty evident.

Does their text condemn terrorizing/killing non believers? Quiet the opposite actually. Im not a scholar of Islam, but I have not seen where this is refuted. It seems that many want to and do live peacefully with non believers, but that does not come from the text they follow.

The Great Commission never mentions force of any kind in spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. If "christians" are killing in the name of Christ they are going directly against they were instructed to do in their text.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
It really doesn't matter what Christianity preaches the only thing that matters is how its used. Islam is used to forcibly convert or kill non-believers, Christianity has a deep history of doing the same thing up until the Protestant Reformation.
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Not realy, nothing at all to compare with the first century of islam for sure.



milohimself said:
And groups such as the Spanish Inqusisition killed thousands in the name of Christianity. If you say that is not true Christianity, good. I believe you. I really do.

But the majority of Muslims also claim that extremists who resort to violence, not unlike numerous self-proclaimed Christian groups throughout history, are not true Muslims.

Why the double standard?
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More people were killed in the name of islamic jihad in 2009 than during the centuries long Spanish Inquisition.

Why the double standard?
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Alcohol Sales, Blue Laws, Gambling, Prostitution, Bans on Gay Marriage, Bans on Gay Adoption, ect.
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Jesus changed water to wine. Nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Don't know of any Christian religion that says no drinking at all.

Chick Fila self imposes blue laws on themselves and still end up topping every other business in the food courts they are in. I am not sayin I am for or against blue laws but giving everyone a set day off per week isn't really a bad thing. This world needs to slow down a little.

Gay Marriage is banned now and we have seperation of church and state.

Gay adoption is just a weird topic no matter how you slice it. Most adopted children already have trauma. The added stress of having to deal with growing up in today's world (kids can be cruel) with two parents of the same gender might not be best for a child in this situation. I'm not a shrink though and think that is something they should decide.
 
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Oh, I missed your gambling part. Nothing wrong with gambling as long as it is done in moderation.
 
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gsvol said:
More people were killed in the name of islamic jihad in 2009 than during the centuries long Spanish Inquisition.

Why the double standard?
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Apparently the difference in volume of murder matters to you.

Bottom line: why should I distrust Islam as a religion of hate when virtually every other major religion on the planet has been the driving force of genocide at some point? Is religion not as people make it? And if the Koran explicitly orders violence against non-Muslims, why do the vast majority of Muslims not live by those "commandments" and their religious leaders view this as okay?

Please avoid responding with rhetoric of any kind.
 
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Also, Deuteronomy, which is believed by some to be the direct word of Yahweh to Moses, commands genocide of certain peoples. Does this mean Hebrews in general ought to be a violent people if they are directly obeying their scriptures?
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Gay Marriage is banned now and we have seperation of church and state.
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Wrong. There is no separation at the state level on this issue. Give me one good argument against gay marriage or civil union that doesn't include religion and I'll concede the point. The argument against is 100% about religion.
 
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I don't get why states couldn't recognize civil union between two people of any sex and leave the term "married" out of all of it.

If a particular church wants to marry homosexual couples, that's their business.
 
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