When Muslims become 51% of the Majority in over all population ...

[NEO]

Wrong. There is no separation at the state level on this issue. Give me one good argument against gay marriage or civil union that doesn't include religion and I'll concede the point. The argument against is 100% about religion.

I don't have an arguement. I don't really care if they get married. Marriage in this country is a joke. It's a piece of paper that's not worth toilet paper. Let em marry. Who cares?

 

[VOLatile]

I don't have an arguement. I don't really care if they get married. Marriage in this country is a joke. It's a piece of paper that's not worth toilet paper. Let em marry. Who cares?

My bad. Got a bit carried away there. Not sure where you stood on the issue. Lol.

 

[gsvol]

Oh, I missed your gambling part. Nothing wrong with gambling as long as it is done in moderation.

Nothing wrong as long as you WIN.

Apparently the difference in volume of murder matters to you.

Bottom line: why should I distrust Islam as a religion of hate when virtually every other major religion on the planet has been the driving force of genocide at some point? Is religion not as people make it? And if the Koran explicitly orders violence against non-Muslims, why do the vast majority of Muslims not live by those "commandments" and their religious leaders view this as okay?

Please avoid responding with rhetoric of any kind.

Your moral equivilancy test sucks when you condsider the twentieth century.

Ten million prople murdered in a half century:

Muslim Brotherhood: The roots of the Pan-Islamic Jihad and wars in Sudan, Palestine, Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Algeria

Also, Deuteronomy, which is believed by some to be the direct word of Yahweh to Moses, commands genocide of certain peoples. Does this mean Hebrews in general ought to be a violent people if they are directly obeying their scriptures?

That had to do with something of about 4 or 5 thousand years ago. Not today.

Wrong. There is no separation at the state level on this issue. Give me one good argument against gay marriage or civil union that doesn't include religion and I'll concede the point. The argument against is 100% about religion.

It is unatural. Praise Gaia.

 

[wounded mullet]

I think the more important question is, will the price of Muslim mail order brides come crashing down when they are in abundance?

Depends on the supply of packing peanuts. The middle eastern countries control the market on that as well.
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[lumberjack4]

Jesus changed water to wine. Nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Don't know of any Christian religion that says no drinking at all.

Then why can I not buy on Sundays? Every time Sunday sales or wet dry votes happen here in the south your Christian crazies come out of the woodwork telling you, you can't buy because their Bible says so. If you've never seen a Christian that says no drinking at all, then you've never met a Church of Christ, though they don't follow their own dogmatic teachings.

Chick Fila self imposes blue laws on themselves and still end up topping every other business in the food courts they are in. I am not sayin I am for or against blue laws but giving everyone a set day off per week isn't really a bad thing. This world needs to slow down a little.

I don't care what Chick-fil-a does they are not the government.

Gay Marriage is banned now and we have seperation of church and state.

The reason this country wont let gays marry is because the bible says so. The fact that you use this as an example of the Seperation of Church and State is laughable.

Gay adoption is just a weird topic no matter how you slice it. Most adopted children already have trauma. The added stress of having to deal with growing up in today's world (kids can be cruel) with two parents of the same gender might not be best for a child in this situation. I'm not a shrink though and think that is something they should decide.

You would rather leave a child in an orphanage instead of putting them in a loving home because the bible says homosexuality is wrong.

Oh, I missed your gambling part. Nothing wrong with gambling as long as it is done in moderation.

Why should I have to gamble in moderation? Its my money. Try building a casino or introducing a lottery and once again Jesus's soldiers come out and tell you, you're going to hell.

I stand for freedom. Christians too many times only stand for freedom when it follows Christianity, otherwise they have to protect you from yourself through the long arm of government.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Jesus changed water to wine. Nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Don't know of any Christian religion that says no drinking at all.

Sunday morning, where in the hell can a guy get a beer? Why Sunday? Why not Monday or Wednesday? Why shouldn't alcohol be sold at all hours of the night and all days of the week (barring holidays, of course)?

But again... why Sunday?

Chick Fila self imposes blue laws on themselves and still end up topping every other business in the food courts they are in. I am not sayin I am for or against blue laws but giving everyone a set day off per week isn't really a bad thing. This world needs to slow down a little.

I personally don't see a point in it... ideally, you stay open to make more money. I don't know how relevant 6 day business weeks are to the world moving too fast, as that is more related to expansion. Closing one day of the week doesn't really slow things down, it just funnels business elsewhere for a day. Still, it's pretty much a dead law and it's only done by choice of the business these days.

Gay Marriage is banned now and we have seperation of church and state.

Are you really implying that the gay marriage issue has nothing to do with religion? You absolutely cannot form a logical argument against the concept of gay marriage (not saying you are... I've read your stance on it numerous times before since all we talk about here now is global warming, homosexuals and terrorists). The only reasons I see from people who do not support it are Christians who pick and choose what they believe from the OT and "it ain't natural!"

This is still God's country, and it's evident when we're too backwards to just shut up and let people marry whomever they wish.

Gay adoption is just a weird topic no matter how you slice it. Most adopted children already have trauma. The added stress of having to deal with growing up in today's world (kids can be cruel) with two parents of the same gender might not be best for a child in this situation. I'm not a shrink though and think that is something they should decide.

While you're very correct about the cruelty of children and how that would be an issue, we are a country that offers private education, tutors/homeschooling, and more controlled childhood social environments. A kid can catch just as much flak for having a 300 pound mother or being mentally handicapped. Single parents raise children all the time, and I'd imagine two dads/moms would have an easier time raising a child than a single parent.

Leave it up to the agency to decide whether the wannabe parents are prepared to raise and support a child.

 

[sjt18]

Apparently the difference in volume of murder matters to you.

Bottom line: why should I distrust Islam as a religion of hate when virtually every other major religion on the planet has been the driving force of genocide at some point? Is religion not as people make it? And if the Koran explicitly orders violence against non-Muslims, why do the vast majority of Muslims not live by those "commandments" and their religious leaders view this as okay?

Please avoid responding with rhetoric of any kind.

The very simple answer is that in the time you live... Islam happens to be the religion being used to justify extreme violence. If it were Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism... then it would be appropriate to be suspicious of them.

The other answer is that violent jihad is widely accepted and not widely opposed within Islam... at least when measured in activity. When the supposed 90%+ of "moderate" Muslims show up and tell the extremists to let Israel be and stop attacking the west then we can all breath easier.

 

[sjt18]

And groups such as the Spanish Inqusisition killed thousands in the name of Christianity. If you say that is not true Christianity, good. I believe you. I really do.

Words mean things. I genuine Christian is prohibited from using violence to grow the church.

But the majority of Muslims also claim that extremists who resort to violence, not unlike numerous self-proclaimed Christian groups throughout history, are not true Muslims.

Why the double standard?

No double standard. Do you have some sort of proof for that suggestion?

Again, someone who accepts the fundamental teachings of the NT will not use violence to spread his faith. Someone who accepts the fundamental teachings from the Koran of conservative, literalist Islamic scholars will acknowledge that violence is allowed or even commanded if necessary to spread Islam.

Christians can point to the Bible and say, "See, that's not what we're supposed to be doing"... Muslims can't do that with their scriptures.

 

[NEO]

Sunday morning, where in the hell can a guy get a beer? Why Sunday? Why not Monday or Wednesday? Why shouldn't alcohol be sold at all hours of the night and all days of the week (barring holidays, of course)?

But again... why Sunday?



I personally don't see a point in it... ideally, you stay open to make more money. I don't know how relevant 6 day business weeks are to the world moving too fast, as that is more related to expansion. Closing one day of the week doesn't really slow things down, it just funnels business elsewhere for a day. Still, it's pretty much a dead law and it's only done by choice of the business these days.



Are you really implying that the gay marriage issue has nothing to do with religion? You absolutely cannot form a logical argument against the concept of gay marriage (not saying you are... I've read your stance on it numerous times before since all we talk about here now is global warming, homosexuals and terrorists). The only reasons I see from people who do not support it are Christians who pick and choose what they believe from the OT and "it ain't natural!"

This is still God's country, and it's evident when we're too backwards to just shut up and let people marry whomever they wish.



While you're very correct about the cruelty of children and how that would be an issue, we are a country that offers private education, tutors/homeschooling, and more controlled childhood social environments. A kid can catch just as much flak for having a 300 pound mother or being mentally handicapped. Single parents raise children all the time, and I'd imagine two dads/moms would have an easier time raising a child than a single parent.

Leave it up to the agency to decide whether the wannabe parents are prepared to raise and support a child.

After reading Lumberjacks rant, your comments almost seem right wing. Technically, the Christians went against the Bible ( go figure) and changed the law from the last day to the first day. I view the day off as something good because it would give everyone, at the same time, a chance to breath. I don't see it mainly as a Bible issue. I di believe God intended man to have a day of rest and set this in writing to show this. He showed that even God rest after hard work. If everyone had the same day off, familes that have two working parents might actually be able to see eachother and beginning forming a stronger family unit. Some families, most families lately, have to have two people working just to make it. I don't see how letting everyone off on a given day is a bad thing. Most white collar jobs are off sat and sunday as it is.

Also, alot of place sell alcohol on Sunday. I could care less if alcohol was sold on Sunday. You've got to be an absolute moron to think Jesus turned water into wine and then said nobody drink it or you're going to hell.

AS for lumberjacks comment about gambling even if he goes broke. Two reasons it's a bad idea. You'll end up living on a government check which isn't fair to the people who have lived within their means and second it's just plain stupid. I gamble all the time. I gamble at the cigar parlors I go to. I gamble on line. I gamble up at the casinos near Cinci. I even go to vegas. Each time I gamble I set aside an amount that I am willing to lose. Once it's gone, I walk away.

 

[gsvol]

 

[vol_in_ar]

I'm talking what will happen in the future. You guys are going back to the days of kings and queens. Rome use to crucify Christians. They don't now. Why are we talking about what some did hundred and thousands of years ago?
What christians are currently going on their version of jihads?

because radical, Muslims are still fighting over what happened thousands of years ago, and foster a culture that still treats everyone that's a non male as inferior