Where do we go from here?

#77
#77
bleedingTNorange said:
Guess it's appropriate to put this here...I've heard from multiple people, Austin informed the staff he was a Vol when he left campus after his OV. They felt good before then, but he gave them the verbal on his visit...thats a big reason why they haven't pursued anyone, they really thought he was theirs.

Now, I understand things change, but if he honestly told the staff this and flipped, well I'll be nice...but it just really leaves the staff in a bad spot.

Just thought I'd share.
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It doesn't leave the staff in a bad spot. It was only 2 weeks ago. If they dropped anyone before AN officially committed then that is their fault. Not AN's. They should alway have a back up plan.
 
#78
#78
MemphisCanes said:
I don't doubt that's true, but the staff has to keep other irons in the fire regardless.

Martin should know that it's not over til it's over.
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Yup. Maybe a little wool being pulled over the eyes or Martin having a rookie mistake recruiting the big boys....either way, He'll learn from this.
 
#79
#79
Shaun1985 said:
Yup. Maybe a little wool being pulled over the eyes or Martin having a rookie mistake recruiting the big boys....either way, He'll learn from this.
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Let's not get carried away.
I've seen no evidence that Martin doesn't have a back up plan.
And he's not a rookie.
 
#81
#81
MemphisCanes said:
It's really a testament to Pastner's recruiting ability. If you listen to some sources, Nichols was a UT lock before attending Memphis Madness. The fact that he bumped his visits around and left Knoxville without committing to the UT staff left the door open, like I said. Pastner took advantage and didn't give up on the kid.
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Well, Pastner did have a year head start on CCM. Martin has been on the job for 20 months. In the end, I am sure AN wanted to stay home, but I can tell you that CCM recruited him hard. CCM, himself, was at every game he could attend. His efforts will pay off, trust me.
 
#82
#82
bleedingTNorange said:
People are seriously overreacting, the emotional swings on this board are absolutely ridiculous.
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People forget, Martin has experience recruiting the big boys at Purdue and did quite well I might add.
As long as he's been in the business, this is not a new experience.
He'll come thru fine.
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
People are seriously overreacting, the emotional swings on this board are absolutely ridiculous.
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Just curious, how are we suppose to react. We go from one day to having a 5* recruit that will fill our biggest need in recruiting in our hip pocket to nothing and "our guy" committing to Memphis of all places. Just blow it off as no big deal? It's kinda a big deal. From 5* to hopefully signing a JUCO in the Spring in one day is hard to swallow.

Oh well, let's enjoy this year. Fixing to go to TBA. Go big orange.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Yup. Maybe a little wool being pulled over the eyes or Martin having a rookie mistake recruiting the big boys....either way, He'll learn from this.
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It may be different as a head coach, but CCM isn't a rookie because he landed E'twan Moore and Jujuan Johnson at Purdue. He knows how to land big boys.
 
#86
#86
Hopefully, this is a lesson learned for CCM. One Pearl didn't learn as he was left standing at the altar on several occasions (JJ Hickson, DeJuan Blair, Elliot Williams all come to mind). You can't put all the eggs in one basket, even if one is starting to hatch. You just never know.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Just curious, how are we suppose to react. We go from one day to having a 5* recruit that will fill our biggest need in recruiting in our hip pocket to nothing and "our guy" committing to Memphis of all places. Just blow it off as no big deal? It's kinda a big deal. From 5* to hopefully signing a JUCO in the Spring in one day is hard to swallow.

Oh well, let's enjoy this year. Fixing to go to TBA. Go big orange.
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Be upset, be disappointed, but have faith in a guy who has shown he can spot talent, and can land some big time guys.

Iirc you were the one saying we wouldn't land any of these big fish until we started winning, so possibly spring.

Well, if CCM has a successful year, there will be some pretty good bigs available, there always is. Whether coaches leave a school, players transfer, players decommitt, players blow up in their senior year etc etc.

If spring signing period is approaching and we still aren't in on any other posts THEN I'll worry, right now I'd advice people to calm down and let things play out.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Hopefully, this is a lesson learned for CCM. One Pearl didn't learn as he was left standing at the altar on several occasions (JJ Hickson, DeJuan Blair, Elliot Williams all come to mind). You can't put all the eggs in one basket, even if one is starting to hatch. You just never know.
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This happens in basketball. With fewer elite level players, basketball is different. You can only offer a select few because you don't want to take just anyone. Memphis was just in a position this year where they had half a dozen area prospects that were all good players. They could offer all, and let the chips fall, knowing that at least 2-3 would come. UT just doesn't have that kind of talent close to its campus.

I am guessing AN's sister is happy for him but disappointed. That is the second sibling to spurn us recently. AJ Davis' sister, who is a Top 25 player, decided to go to GTech instead of playing for the Lady Vols.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Be upset, be disappointed, but have faith in a guy who has shown he can spot talent, and can land some big time guys.

Iirc you were the one saying we wouldn't land any of these big fish until we started winning, so possibly spring.

Well, if CCM has a successful year, there will be some pretty good bigs available, there always is. Whether coaches leave a school, players transfer, players decommitt, players blow up in their senior year etc etc.

If spring signing period is approaching and we still aren't in on any other posts THEN I'll worry, right now I'd advice people to calm down and let things play out.
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winning and a deep run should solve all issues
 
#90
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VolGee4 said:
This happens in basketball. With fewer elite level players, basketball is different. You can only offer a select few because you don't want to take just anyone. Memphis was just in a position this year where they had half a dozen area prospects that were all good players. They could offer all, and let the chips fall, knowing that at least 2-3 would come. UT just doesn't have that kind of talent close to its campus.

I am guessing AN's sister is happy for him but disappointed. That is the second sibling to spurn us recently. AJ Davis' sister, who is a Top 25 player, decided to go to GTech instead of playing for the Lady Vols.
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I understand that, but being stuck SOL at what will be your weakest position hurts when you go all-in on one guy because you believe he's in the bag. Memphis wasn't banking on Nichols and went after several other fish as well. They ended up with one and Tennessee didn't.
 
#91
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cncchris33 said:
I understand that, but being stuck SOL at what will be your weakest position hurts when you go all-in on one guy because you believe he's in the bag. Memphis wasn't banking on Nichols and went after several other fish as well. They ended up with one and Tennessee didn't.
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True, but I would bet that Memphis didn't think they were getting AN about 6 months ago. I understand what you are saying, and it does suck. But, let's just focus on the current season and see where that takes us.
 
#92
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VolGee4 said:
True, but I would bet that Memphis didn't think they were getting AN about 6 months ago. I understand what you are saying, and it does suck. But, let's just focus on the current season and see where that takes us.
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Memphis may not have thought they were getting Nichols, but they had to like their chances of getting a PF somewhere, which they did in Nichols. Consequently, Tennessee thought they had one in the bag, rested on that, and is left with nothing in the hand.

I am all for focusing on the season, but this unfortunate event certainly is worth discussing.
 
#93
#93
You keep recruiting Austin till he signs on the dotted line. It's obvious he changed his mind. Means he can change his mind again.

You look at schools that have coaches on the hot seat and start recruiting committed players there to gauge their interest.

Scout the JUCO areas HARD

Talk to previous players that you showed interest in and talk to them. Jarquez Smith, Desmond Ringer, those guys.

Talk to current uncommitted players who aren't going to sign till the Spring and see what happens.
 
#94
#94
cncchris33 said:
Memphis may not have thought they were getting Nichols, but they had to like their chances of getting a PF somewhere, which they did in Nichols. Consequently, Tennessee thought they had one in the bag, rested on that, and is left with nothing in the hand.

I am all for focusing on the season, but this unfortunate event certainly is worth discussing.
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It's a huge blow to UT. Having two top 25 players from the state of Tennessee would have wonders, and would be awesome for next year. Right now, UT has TWO post players for 2013-2014. Oh, and one of those guys has NBA lottery potential.

This is bad. Do you overreact? No. But it's a big blow. This absolutely suck. I don't know what happened. All signs pointed to UT. But Pastner pulled it out. Great coup for him.
 
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zjcvols said:
It's a huge blow to UT. Having two top 25 players from the state of Tennessee would have wonders, and would be awesome for next year. Right now, UT has TWO post players for 2013-2014. Oh, and one of those guys has NBA lottery potential.

This is bad. Do you overreact? No. But it's a big blow. This absolutely suck. I don't know what happened. All signs pointed to UT. But Pastner pulled it out. Great coup for him.
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Well said.
 
#96
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VolGee4 said:
True, but I would bet that Memphis didn't think they were getting AN about 6 months ago. I understand what you are saying, and it does suck. But, let's just focus on the current season and see where that takes us.
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Memphis didn't think they were getting him a week ago.
 
#97
#97
Definitely sucks. No other way to spin it.

However, I have complete faith that Cuonzo will find us a good post player in this class. It may not be a 5 star stud like Nichols, but I'm sure we'll find somebody that's solid.
 
#98
#98
Where do we go from here? Not where I wanted that's for sure. I've been dreaming that basketball would help ease the pain that football has inflicted. Yes we will likely have a decent year this year but had we gotten both RH and AN Vol fans would be "all in" on the basketball program. Losing AN is a blow to the fragile psyche around the entire athletic dept and reopens the door for people to question whether CCM is going to be able to recruit well enough to keep us a top tier SEC bk program. I'm trying to remain positive but realistically CCM couldn't close on a player even when all the stars seemed to align in our favor. I give him credit for Hubbs but for some reason losing AN feels more of a negative then RH was a positive. Maybe it's because CCM bet the recruiting house on AN and pulled out all the stops and still we come up short. One thing Vol bk fans love is players from inside the state and having RH, AN and maybe even Stokes playing together would have been absolutely awesome.
 
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#99
#99
GLDunlap said:
Where do we go from here? Not where I wanted that's for sure. I've been dreaming that basketball would help ease the pain that football has inflicted. Yes we will likely have a decent year this year but had we gotten both RH and AN Vol fans would be "all in" on the basketball program. Losing AN is a blow to the fragile psyche around the entire athletic dept and reopens the door for people to question whether CCM is going to be able to recruit well enough to keep us a top tier SEC bk program. I'm trying to remain positive but realistically CCM couldn't close on a player even when all the stars seemed to align in our favor. I give him credit for Hubbs but for some reason losing AN feels more of a negative then RH was a positive. Maybe it's because CCM bet the recruiting house on AN and pulled out all the stops and still we come up short.
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lol my God... calm down. It'll be okay.

Cuonzo will find us a solid post player. Losing Nichols isn't the end of the world.
 
#100
#100
UTVOLS107 said:
lol my God... calm down. It'll be okay.

Cuonzo will find us a solid post player. Losing Nichols isn't the end of the world.
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Did I say it was the end of the world? I'm pretty calm actually unlike some others. Honestly though if you think getting a solid post player is the same for this program as getting a 5 star stud from inside the state then your not seeing the big picture.
 
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