Where do you stand on Healthcare?

How do you feel about the healthcare currently provided in the US?

  • It’s perfect the way it is. No changes necessary.

  • I like our system but it needs some tweaking.

  • I like the idea of our system but it has gotten much too expensive and needs major reform.

  • I think the format for providing healthcare is flawed and it needs rebuilt from the ground up.

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USMC-TNVOL said:
22 studies agree: 'Medicare for All' saves money

“All of the studies, regardless of ideological orientation, showed that long-term cost savings were likely. Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system.”
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So where is the “but” in the article? The article was an op-Ed by Diane Archer whom works at Social Security Works. This is a far left leaning social justice organization. Look at their web site. So what is the cost breakdown and who’s gonna pay for it since you know that wasn’t even covered.
 
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Not poor or in bad health, excellent genetics, I think the system is fine but could use some tweaks.
 
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hog88 said:
I wonder why the .gov had to go to the private sector to reduce cost of space travel?
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Comparing two different completely things. But yeah the current private sector healthcare is so cheap and effective right now.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So where is the “but” in the article? The article was an op-Ed by Diane Archer whom works at Social Security Works. This is a far left leaning social justice organization. Look at their web site. So what is the cost breakdown and who’s gonna pay for it since you know that wasn’t even covered.
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Are you serious? The article on the website didn’t do the studies themselves and has links to a couple including the right wing one.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Comparing two different completely things. But yeah the current private sector healthcare is so cheap and effective right now.
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So what is the individual cost in the article you linked? You touted the pros for single payer where were the cons in that op Ed.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Cool, how do you propose we "eliminate homelessness"?
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I'd reorganize our entitlement programs. Instead of a pension style soc sec program, I'd convert it into a savings plan, and then use that money to establish a minimum basic standard of living for everyone. At least that's how I'd do it in theory. I dont think the numbers are available publicly to see if it would actually work. Instead of single payer, I'd use subsidies and contracts with private companies with open bidding, cost controls, etc.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Are you serious? The article on the website didn’t do the studies themselves and has links to a couple including the right wing one.
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Yes I’m serious. You’re correct the article was an opinion piece that cherry picked information to fit their narrative. What is the individual cost of single payer?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yes I’m serious. You’re correct the article was an opinion piece that cherry picked information to fit their narrative. What is the individual cost of single payer?
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You’re asking for an individual breakdown per person when it would most likely be taken out of taxes, which is something they probably didn’t put in there. This a is broad view of cost savings. Not individual level.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
You’re asking for an individual breakdown per person when it would most likely be taken out of taxes, which is something they probably didn’t put in there. This a is broad view of cost savings. Not individual level.
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Who pays the damn taxes, the Easter Bunny? Yes what is the damn cost per person. Any reputable study is going to show pros abd cons. And cost is going to be a huge con. And taxes will be going up to pay for single payer.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Who pays the damn taxes, the Easter Bunny? Yes what is the damn cost per person. Any reputable study is going to show pros abd cons. And cost is going to be a huge con. And taxes will be going up to pay for single payer.
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said I didn’t see a breakdown at that level. The studies show how much savings would be in terms of the cost at a macro level not micro. This obviously passes savings on to the individual if it’s that much cheaper.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
22 studies agree: 'Medicare for All' saves money

“All of the studies, regardless of ideological orientation, showed that long-term cost savings were likely. Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system.”
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Right off the bat this article gets off track:

The evidence abounds: A "Medicare for All" single-payer system would guarantee comprehensive coverage to everyone in America and save money.

Christopher Cai and colleagues at three University of California campuses examined 22 studies on the projected cost impact for single-payer health insurance in the United States and reported their findings in a recent paper in PLOS Medicine. Every single study predicted that it would yield net savings over several years. In fact, it’s the only way to rein in health care spending significantly in the U.S.
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Single payer is not the same as Medicare for All but the terms are used interchangeably. Single payer could mean we all buy our insurance from the federal gov't. Instead of making our checks out to Anthem, we make them out to the US Treasury.

What single payer does mean is that the gov't will control everything from how much will be paid for each procedure code to what procedures will be covered at all. In other words they control pretty much everything. If you don't like how you're treated you can't very well go off to United or Anthem and change companies. You're stuck
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said I didn’t see a breakdown at that level. The studies show how much savings would be in terms of the cost at a macro level not micro. This obviously passes savings on to the individual if it’s that much cheaper.
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No you have a deflection problem. You’re ignoring the net individual cost and just saying “but the savings”. Again you sound like my wife on a clothing or handbag sale.

Oh and I’ve already looked at some of the reports on the costs. Bernie was absolutely roasted on his cost estimates.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Right off the bat this article gets off track:



Single payer is not the same as Medicare for All but the terms are used interchangeably. Single payer could mean we all buy our insurance from the federal gov't. Instead of making our checks out to Anthem, we make them out to the US Treasury.

What single payer does mean is that the gov't will control everything from how much will be paid for each procedure code to what procedures will be covered at all. In other words they control pretty much everything. If you don't like how you're treated you can't very well go off to United or Anthem and change companies. You're stuck
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The article was written by a left socialist propagandist whom cherry picked positive points to sell their narrative while ignoring the negative. I’ve already posted who she was and where she works. It’s a misrepresentation of the issue and ignores program costs.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No you have a deflection problem. You’re ignoring the net individual cost and just saying “but the savings”. Again you sound like my wife on a clothing or handbag sale.

Oh and I’ve already looked at some of the reports on the costs. Bernie was absolutely roasted on his cost estimates.
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If you can’t see that savings overall would pass on, I can’t help you. Especially when you compare handbag sales to medical care.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The article was written by a left socialist propagandist whom cherry picked positive points to sell their narrative while ignoring the negative. I’ve already posted who she was and where she works. It’s a misrepresentation of the issue and ignores program costs.
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But muh freeduhms from socialism.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
If you can’t see that savings overall would pass on, I can’t help you. Especially when you compare handbag sales to medical care.
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Still deflecting. What is my net out of pocket cost change? Positive or negative? This is the point where you switch to virtue signaling to sell your narrative.

If I wind up paying more net money out of pocket per year whether it’s to the insurance company or the government for the same or worse coverage then it’s a no for me. This far that’s exactly what has occurred on the ACA. I pay more for worse coverage.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
There we go right on cue. Virtue signal for me now biatch 😈
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NorthDallas40 said:
Still deflecting. What is my net out of pocket cost change? Positive or negative? This is the point where you switch to virtue signaling to sell your narrative.

If I wind up paying more net money out of pocket per year whether it’s to the insurance company or the government for the same or worse coverage then it’s a no for me. This far that’s exactly what has occurred on the ACA. I pay more for worse coverage.
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ACA was a patch on an already **** system so of course it wasn’t gong to help much. Hilarious though you bitch about the ACA but costs were already rising before that. Medicare for all is completely different from ACA.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
ACA was a patch on an already **** system so of course it wasn’t gong to help much. Hilarious though you bitch about the ACA but costs were already rising before that. Medicare for all is completely different from ACA.
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What is my net out of pocket cost? Go look up the roasting of Bernie’s plan. You continue to ignore out of pocket costs and just say “but look at what I’m saving” yes just like when my wife buys a new handbag.

Oh and no. My healthcare cost was fairly stable before the ACA sky rocketed the cost. That’s another BS point you libs deflect from on this
 
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