Where do you stand on Healthcare?

How do you feel about the healthcare currently provided in the US?

  • It’s perfect the way it is. No changes necessary.

  • I like our system but it needs some tweaking.

  • I like the idea of our system but it has gotten much too expensive and needs major reform.

  • I think the format for providing healthcare is flawed and it needs rebuilt from the ground up.

  • Other

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#252
#252
USMC-TNVOL said:
Glad you pull all these facts out of your ass.
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My facts came from the web link that you keep ignoring.

Tell me how much my taxes go up after my insurance premiums disappear and don’t spend a penny on healthcare.

What’s my out of pocket net increase? Your $2T number is meaningless here because the benefits must be paid for some how.

Stop telling me how much you saved on your handbag on sale what does it cost? How much?
 
#253
#253
USMC-TNVOL said:
When your prescription costs are too high or you cant afford treatments for preventive care, it’s not personal choice.
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How much do the benefits cost before you spend one penny on care or scripts

What does the program cost the taxpayer?
 
#254
#254
NorthDallas40 said:
My facts came from the web link that you keep ignoring.

Tell me how much my taxes go up after my insurance premiums disappear and don’t spend a penny on healthcare.

What’s my out of pocket net increase? Your $2T number is meaningless here because the benefits must be paid for some how.

Stop telling me how much you saved on your handbag on sale what does it cost? How much?
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Ok J Edgar. How am I going to tell you how much when I didn’t crunch the numbers. You won’t know how much until you get into the details of who is going to pay what and what the benefits are going to be. Talk about dense.
 
#255
#255
USMC-TNVOL said:
Ok J Edgar. How am I going to tell you how much when I didn’t crunch the numbers. You won’t know how much until you get into the details of who is going to pay what and what the benefits are going to be. Talk about dense.
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So we have to pass it before we can see the cost?

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It’s already in the link I provided. You just keep ignoring it because you know it’s a non starter.

Bernie claimed a 8.4% employer and employee tax increase. All three in that link called bull ****. One did quantify it at a 20% increase as well as keeping the other oppressive capital gains taxes, estate taxes, etc... that’s several thousand bucks a year more for me and my family if I never use it.

It’s a non starter. Your hope for this plan is DOA. Move along
 
#256
#256
NorthDallas40 said:
So we have to pass it before we can see the cost?

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It’s already in the link I provided. You just keep ignoring it because you know it’s a non starter.

Bernie claimed a 8.4% employer and employee tax increase. All three in that link called bull ****. One did quantify it at a 20% increase as well as keeping the other oppressive capital gains taxes, estate taxes, etc... that’s several thousand bucks a year more for me and my family if I never use it.

It’s a non starter. Your hope for this plan is DOA. Move along
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Your link doesn’t take into account the taxes replaces the costs being paid now.

I didn’t say it needed to be passed to know the numbers. You have to know what’s in the plan to know the numbers. There’s no agreed to plan yet.
 
#257
#257
USMC-TNVOL said:
Your link doesn’t take into account the taxes replaces the costs being paid now.

I didn’t say it needed to be passed to know the numbers. You have to know what’s in the plan to know the numbers. There’s no agreed to plan yet.
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Yes it does! That is the damn net INCREASE to fund the damn program. Single payer government care for 350M people and climbing isn’t going to happen.


$3.6T a year!!
 
#258
#258
NorthDallas40 said:
Yes it does! That is the damn net INCREASE to fund the damn program. Single payer government care for 350M people and climbing isn’t going to happen.
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How is going to be more when one of the references studies says it will save trillions?
 
#259
#259
USMC-TNVOL said:
How is going to be more when one of the references studies says it will save trillions?
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So you really are this stupid then. The numbers you are touting are the cost reduction on the back end. The monies paid to providers They are NOT talking about the funding to execute it which comes from taxpayers. I repeat.

$3.6T a year!!!

I’ll keep the current ridiculous setup with more money in my pocket thanks.
 
#260
#260
NorthDallas40 said:
So you really are this stupid then. The numbers you are touting are the cost reduction on the back end. The monies paid to providers They are NOT talking about the funding to execute it which comes from taxpayers. I repeat.

$3.6T a year!!!

I’ll keep the current ridiculous setup with more money in my pocket thanks.
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Saved money equals lower costs. Don’t know how you don’t understand this.
 
#263
#263
USMC-TNVOL said:
Ok J Edgar.
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Sure thing Albert. This is hilarious. You really are not smart enough to understand the difference of the program execution costs yearly paid by taxpayers compared to the glowing reduction to providers “but I saved this much even though it cost me more” number. Absolutely hilarious 😂
 
#264
#264
NorthDallas40 said:
Sure thing Albert. This is hilarious. You really are not smart enough to understand the difference of the program execution costs yearly paid by taxpayers compared to the glowing reduction to providers “but I saved this much even though it cost me more” number. Absolutely hilarious 😂
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Program execution costs would be cheaper because of admin costs being reduced so much and through RX costs being reduced.

Glowing reduction to providers? What are you talking about?
 
#265
#265
USMC-TNVOL said:
Program execution costs would be cheaper because of admin costs being reduced so much and through RX costs being reduced.

Glowing reduction to providers? What are you talking about?
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I’m talking about the cost estimates clearly shown in the link you keep ignoring.

Bernie claimed the program would cost $1.4T a year which is a non starter anyway. The non partisan estimates were between $2.6T and $3.6T a year. It would cost a 20% increase in taxes. Just read the damn article.

I’ll keep the present stupid plan and the thousands in my pocket. No thanks.
 
#266
#266
First you have to separate actual healthcare and health insurance. The medical field is a profit driven business just like any other business. The better the quality of healthcare also means it will be more expensive. This counters the insurance business. Because the government got in the insurance business, they passed laws and changed the rules to benefit themselves. Because of this the quality of healthcare has decreased. One change that should be made to provide more affordable insurance is to open the market for more competition. Allow an all insurance companies to compete everywhere.
 
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#267
#267
USMC-TNVOL said:
Program execution costs would be cheaper because of admin costs being reduced so much and through RX costs being reduced.

Glowing reduction to providers? What are you talking about?
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Here Albert since you apparently don’t know how to click a link. The “to fund the program” part is bolded, underlined, and italicized since it apparently cannot pass thru your retinas

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Americans are likewise unprepared for the colossal price tag of a new government-run Medicare for All system. Senator Bernie Sanders claims his version of the plan would cost $1.4 trillion per year, or $14 trillion over 10 years, partly paid for by individual tax increases. His plan includes a 2.2 percent income tax and a 6.2 percent tax on employers, which likely would be passed on to workers.

Non-partisan researchers, however, have totaled up the real cost of his plan in its first 10 years of implementation and found the number could be much higher.

According to researcher Kenneth Thorpe of Emory University, “to fund the program, payroll and income taxes would have to increase from a combined 8.4 percent in the Sanders plan to 20 percent while also retaining all remaining tax increases on capital gains, increased marginal tax rates, the estate tax and eliminating tax expenditures
 
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#268
tnmarktx said:
First you have to separate actual healthcare and health insurance. The medical field is a profit driven business just like any other business. The better the quality of healthcare also means it will be more expensive. This counters the insurance business. Because the government got in the insurance business, they passed laws and changed the rules to benefit themselves. Because of this the quality of healthcare has decreased. One change that should be made to provide more affordable insurance is to open the market for more competition. Allow an all insurance companies to compete everywhere.
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Yep it should be a country wide market for health insurance as far as I’m concerned.
 
#269
#269
NorthDallas40 said:
Here Albert since you apparently don’t know how to click a link. The “to fund the program” part is bolded, underlined, and italicized since it apparently cannot pass thru your retinas

STICKER SHOCK
Americans are likewise unprepared for the colossal price tag of a new government-run Medicare for All system. Senator Bernie Sanders claims his version of the plan would cost $1.4 trillion per year, or $14 trillion over 10 years, partly paid for by individual tax increases. His plan includes a 2.2 percent income tax and a 6.2 percent tax on employers, which likely would be passed on to workers.

Non-partisan researchers, however, have totaled up the real cost of his plan in its first 10 years of implementation and found the number could be much higher.

According to researcher Kenneth Thorpe of Emory University, “to fund the program, payroll and income taxes would have to increase from a combined 8.4 percent in the Sanders plan to 20 percent while also retaining all remaining tax increases on capital gains, increased marginal tax rates, the estate tax and eliminating tax expenditures
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So it shifts to taxes instead of premiums out of pocket. What’s your point?

FACT CHECK: Medicare for All Would Save the U.S. Trillions; Public Option Would Leave Millions Uninsured, Not Garner Savings - Public Citizen

Overall, working families that make around $60,000 a year would pay up to 14% less on their annual health care costs.
 
#270
#270
We can lower our healthcare expenses by not funding drug research for the rest of the world.
 
#271
#271
USMC-TNVOL said:
So it shifts to taxes instead of premiums out of pocket. What’s your point?

FACT CHECK: Medicare for All Would Save the U.S. Trillions; Public Option Would Leave Millions Uninsured, Not Garner Savings - Public Citizen

Overall, working families that make around $60,000 a year would pay up to 14% less on their annual health care costs.
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No! Dammit NO! I’ve said it multiple times now that premise doesn’t add up. The tax increase less the premium removal in my case all would be at least $5k a year extra. NOPE! Not interested!
 
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#274
USMC-TNVOL said:
So it shifts to taxes instead of premiums out of pocket. What’s your point?

FACT CHECK: Medicare for All Would Save the U.S. Trillions; Public Option Would Leave Millions Uninsured, Not Garner Savings - Public Citizen

Overall, working families that make around $60,000 a year would pay up to 14% less on their annual health care costs.
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And I’m really not interacted in any more of your partisan links. Not even going to read them. The link I dropped gave you three NON-PARTISAN link sources.

Your math is broken.
 
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