Where were you? - September 11, 2001

#181
#181
In 7th grade science class when the door opened and our principal said a plane had flown into one of the world trade center buildings in NY. About 15 - 20 minutes later the school guidance counselor walked in and said the 2nd plane had hit. The rest of the day at school all we did was watch the news.

When I got home and turned on the TV, the only channels that weren't covering the attacks were Nickelodeon and Disney. It may sound weird, but as an early teenager that's what made me realize this was a huge, once in a lifetime type event that would foundationally change things.

I was playing middle school football at the time and we had a game vs Trousdale County that night. I remember my Dad getting home early from work and making a few phone calls to confirm that the game would be cancelled. To his surprise and my joy we played the game that night. I remember it being a normal game, Trousdale County ended up winning. Afterwards our coaches gathered us together in one of the end zones for the post game talk. The linebackers coach, who was about 6ft tall and 215 lbs of solid muscle got about 2 words out before breaking down in tears.

Per Wikipedia, 2977 people from the 9/11 terrorists attacks. We all remember where we were when it happened and most of us have said something along the line of "Never Forget" or "Never Again". Our nation went to war over it and initially the vast majority supported that decision.

Per the CDC, as of today 178,670 people in the US have died from COVID, yet very few seem to care. Why is that?

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
 
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#182
I was serving and in England. Here’s my paps account from that day as he was there.

19 years ago today, I was riding into NYC when the driver told me a plane had just flown into the tower. Which I later learned killed 350 of my colleagues in a direct hit to the floor where they worked.
Pat called me as I was grabbing a bite to eat before my meeting. It was to be the last time we spoke until I got home the next day at 3:00 am.
The memories of that day are etched forever. l was chairman of the NYS Public Heath Council. The Commissioner of Heath was there. We watched as the 2nd plane hit its tower. Then watched in horror as the towers came down. And looked out the meeting room windows across the street while thousands of people exited Grand Central Station to begin walking home as all transportation was shut down...
The commissioner was in constant contact with Gov Pataki, who released trains to begin running from GCS. I got on 2nd train out headed toward Albany not knowing how I'd get home from there. But just thankful to be able to get out of NYC. Trains had to stop at every bridge before crossing and not exceed 35 mph.
I was supposed to to meet with my professional colleagues that afternoon but of course it didn't happen. Every meeting after that, until I retired in 2004, had some aspect of the 350 that were lost in the tower. The 104th floor contained the global IT center for Marsh McLennan.
The building where I was meeting that morning was immediately below the CNN offices. We had serious discussions about abandoning the building in case planes or Bombs began hitting communications centers.
Very scary time for all.
Praying I don't have to witness such an event ever again.
though it kinda feels like a house divided will bring down its own house next time around and perhaps we are in the midst of it now.
God have mercy and grace on us all.
❤️🙏❤️
 
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Tyler Durden said:
In 7th grade science class when the door opened and our principal said a plane had flown into one of the world trade center buildings in NY. About 15 - 20 minutes later the school guidance counselor walked in and said the 2nd plane had hit. The rest of the day at school all we did was watch the news.

When I got home and turned on the TV, the only channels that weren't covering the attacks were Nickelodeon and Disney. It may sound weird, but as an early teenager that's what made me realize this was a huge, once in a lifetime type event that would foundationally change things.

I was playing middle school football at the time and we had a game vs Trousdale County that night. I remember my Dad getting home early from work and making a few phone calls to confirm that the game would be cancelled. To his surprise and my joy we played the game that night. I remember it being a normal game, Trousdale County ended up winning. Afterwards our coaches gathered us together in one of the end zones for the post game talk. The linebackers coach, who was about 6ft tall and 215 lbs of solid muscle got about 2 words out before breaking down in tears.

Per Wikipedia, 2977 people from the 9/11 terrorists attacks. We all remember where we were when it happened and most of us have said something along the line of "Never Forget" or "Never Again". Our nation went to war over it and initially the vast majority supported that decision.

Per the CDC, as of today 178,670 people in the US have died from COVID, yet very few seem to care. Why is that?

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
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TD, why do you say "very few seem to care?"
I think just about everyone cares, but the political arguments and games that both sides have played have taken away from it with some people. Seems like politics is getting in the way of a lot of things in our lives.
 
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#190
I was in high school. The teach I had watched news constantly. We watched the second plane hit live on CNN. Aaron Brown I think was the guy talking about it. We were told not to say anything when we left for break. We went a half day.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Can you get a good cellihone call from an airplane in 2001? How about in 2020?

And did that plane crash or was it likely shot down?
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So their families were also involved in this grand conspiracy because Tom Burnett made several calls to his wife and so did Jeremy Glick? Considering airlines ban cellphone use in flight I don’t know how many people get cellphone calls from planes regardless. It could have been shot down but both fighter pilots have been interviewed and were asked their readiness to shoot it down which was recorded by the FAA. Both responded that neither had time to arm with missiles so they would have had to ram it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Have they ever released those audio tapes of the phone calls? All I've ever seen are written transcripts.
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No, but both wives have been interviewed several times about their conversations. Todd Beamer’s conversation with Lisa Jefferson is recorded but he was using a seat back phone. She has been interviewed several times as well. Is she also part of this conspiracy? A random telephone operator who had no previous interaction with Beamer? She should probably be killed off because she can’t stop discussing it with others
 
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ajvol01 said:
Open your mind to possibilities other than “the official story”
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There is no “official story” but there are facts that tell the story of 9/11 and the thousands of interviews of the people who were part of it who literally had part of the wing of the plane jammed into their office door in the tower or were holding meetings during the first plane hitting. The second plane was on live tv. Of course no one was filming the Pentagon, it’s private and not a super awesome tourist destination but there are security camera still shots that show the plane hitting, video from the scene with the plane engines on the grass in front of the Pentagon and interviews from employees who witnessed the plane striking the building. The planes knocked the fireproofing foam off of the steel outside supports in the towers at the impact zones and cut the exit stairway above the impact zones. The fire burned hot enough to weaken the steel supports which caused the building to buckle under the weight at the impact zone due to loss of its steel supports on the outer columns. It collapsed like it did because we don’t live in a cartoon world where planes leave plane shaped holes in buildings and buildings don’t fall over like a tree being chopped down. I guess the thousands of survivors at the Twin Towers and Pentagon are also part of this grand conspiracy. I teach 9/11 and have heard every idiotic theory known to mankind but they are teenagers
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Can you get a good cellphone call from an airplane in 2001? How about in 2020?

And did that plane crash or was it likely shot down?
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There was a ton of debris that disintegrated somehow. But a Boeing 747 that dropped out of the sky in Locherbie there were tons of debris scattered hundreds of yards.
 
#196
#196
Heard it on the radio on the way into school - I remember which route I took (it wasn’t the most common one) and exactly where on the road I was - but the announcement made it sound like some mistake that wasn’t that serious. Got to school and was obviously just watching the news on TV all day
 
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AirVol said:
There was a ton of debris that disintegrated somehow. But a Boeing 747 that dropped out of the sky in Locherbie there were tons of debris scattered hundreds of yards.
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Apparently you don’t know the difference between a bomb going off mid air and crashing into a building or the ground.
 
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BisonVol said:
The greatest test of unity is whether or not we can look at people of opposing views and peacefully agree to disagree. After the tragedy of 9/11, we passed that test with flying colors. Your skin color didn't matter. Your religious beliefs didn't matter. It didn't matter what political party you aligned with. We all stood united as proud citizens of the United States of America first and foremost. That's what mattered most, just as it should.

19 years later, we fail that same test miserably. Millions of Americans on both sides of the political spectrum have fully embraced the idea of "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy." The Denver Broncos were even brash enough to put it on the back of t shirts and proudly tweet about it. There's no better way to create division than to embrace and enforce this mindset.

Ask yourselves, how long can America survive if we continue down this road? How long can we last if we continue to foolishly follow where the divisive politicians and even more divisive media lead us? The answer isn't promising.
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This thread has a few posts complaining about divisiveness and then blaming the left for all of it. I could also say that if you don’t want division, don’t boo peaceful protestors or suggest that those killed by police had it coming because “they were criminals”, don’t call Islam an inferior religion and don’t yell at people for speaking Spanish, etc.

Lost in all of the “we were united” back-patting is also the ridiculous amount of racism and xenophobia that Muslim Americans faced after this. A lot of these proud Americans were “united” AGAINST them
 
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NashVol11 said:
This thread has a few posts complaining about divisiveness and then blaming the left for all of it. I could also say that if you don’t want division, don’t boo peaceful protestors or suggest that those killed by police had it coming because “they were criminals”, don’t call Islam an inferior religion and don’t yell at people for speaking Spanish, etc.

Lost in all of the “we were united” back-patting is also the ridiculous amount of racism and xenophobia that Muslim Americans faced after this. A lot of these proud Americans were “united” AGAINST them
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This board is full of authoritarians. And they want an authoritarian state.
 
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