Which one of these coaches would you rather have hired?

#76
#76
BigOrangeTrain said:
Optics? Ok try answering my question. What would the NCAA do different if we would have hired Freeze?
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The only way to have feasibly hired Freeze would have been to have kept quiet about the cheating and paid Pruitt's buyout. If you do that, then hire Freeze and the whole cheating thing comes out, we get hammered. If you hire Freeze in the situation the way it happened, you are saying you don't ACTUALLY care about cheating, but we're cooperating with the NCAA anyway. I think we also get hammered in this scenario. Pruitt also wins a law suit to get his buyout money in this scenario. In our current situation, I don't think we get much at all in the way of punishment. Some minor self imposed sanctions and we move on.
 
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#78
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Remy said:
When will people understand you increase the money to get who you want even if they don't want it? Saban turned down Bama multiple times until the money was so much at the time he couldn't turn it down. Meanwhile we're stuck with also rans paying them $4 to $5 million per year tredding water hoping one turns out right. We put on a coaching display of how not to be a winning football team in case you missed it this past Saturday. Heupel has this year and next year to get it together but I don't see it.
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So its two years now

Some of yall need to get off the meth...that stuff messes ya head up.
 
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bigl3327 said:
Ifs and buts..... The fact is that he was fired and the violation accusations were made very public by the University. It's all optics man. You hire Freeze and it's not some redemption story. They didn't pay Pruitt because they said they care so much about running a clean program, but hire another proven cheater to replace him? If you can't see sh!t show surrounding that potential situation, then I don't know what to tell you.
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I really did want them to hire Freeze. But I don’t think guys like him and Danny White run in the same circles.
 
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Remy said:
When will people understand you increase the money to get who you want even if they don't want it? Saban turned down Bama multiple times until the money was so much at the time he couldn't turn it down. Meanwhile we're stuck with also rans paying them $4 to $5 million per year tredding water hoping one turns out right. We put on a coaching display of how not to be a winning football team in case you missed it this past Saturday. Heupel has this year and next year to get it together but I don't see it.
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The only reason Saban changed his mind and took the Bama job was because he didn’t get Drew Brees in Miami like he thought he would. Their doctors wouldn’t clear Brees physically coming off an injury.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Kinda hard to maintain a moral high ground to justify firing the Gump then hire a guy like Freeze
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I agree but this is big time college football. If we hired Freeze and he was successful all would be forgiven. He’s looking for a way back into the SEC. Someone is gonna get him for a steal and he will have them winning in a short amount of time.

Doesn’t matter because we have Heupel and I wish him the best and hope he works out. Freeze was the “home run” hire in this situation though.

He was the guy that if we had hired him other teams would’ve been saying “oh sh** they mean business”. Not that Heupel can’t be that guy. But just saying.
 
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SGMVols said:
Anyone who opposed Schiano but wanted Freeze is either a massive hypocrite, or lied about the real reason they didn’t want Schiano.
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I never once lied about my reasons for not wanting Schiano…..his record. As far as the Penn State allegations, no charges were ever even filled and I never took them seriously. The. Man. Was. A. Lousy Coach
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I never once lied about my reasons for not wanting Schiano…..his record. As far as the Penn State allegations, no charges were ever even filled and I never took them seriously. The. Man. Was. A. Lousy Coach
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Not saying I wanted him, but again, he did win at Rutgers (and is showing signs that he will do so again)
 
#85
#85
vol_smoothie said:
Hugh Freeze wanted this job in the worst way and he is a proven winner.
I would say he has learned his lessons and would not cheat like he did at Ole Miss and probably gave up the call girls as well, plus Hazel's closed years ago.
Some argue the NCAA would hit us harder if we had hired Freeze. So what ? What's the difference in three years. The sanctions are over and we have a better coach.

Though I wouldn't want him, Lane Kiffin wanted this job as well.
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We know Freeze cheated at Ole Miss to have a winner. Most assume he is not cheating now. Could he win at Tenn (SEC) without cheating. We don't know if he is actually a Power 5 winner without cheating. Not a great record at Ole Miss.
 
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JoAllan said:
if Manning had been a successful coach and just won a National Championship somewhere, then came to Tennessee say this year

Then went 4-7, 5-5, then 4-2…..you think he would have been forced out? (Saying Manning as he is the “Majors” of nowadays)

Seriously?
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I think people “think” Majors early record is worse than it really was.

He had 2 losing seasos (out of his first 11), but was .500 at year 2, 7-5 with a bowl appearance in year 3, 8-4 by year 5 with a bowl win.

that year 4 might get your everyday John Doe…….but not your championship winning and hometown hero.

Just my opinion
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If the loudmouths had been empowered as they are today? 4-7 would've started the clock ticking. I was around...it was every bit as bad as "people think". He was 5-6 in his FOURTH season, which was good for SIXTH in a smaller SEC Conference. Ma;nning does that and he doesn't get to a fifth...much less survive that fifth season 38-17 shellacking by the Tide...11th straight (Bear then Saban now). You couldn't read it back then...easier to disregard. Now it would be the din that would make the stupid Schiano conspiracy sound like a children's chorus.
 
#87
#87
a vol n tears said:
We know Freeze cheated at Ole Miss to have a winner. Most assume he is not cheating now. Could he win at Tenn (SEC) without cheating. We don't know if he is actually a Power 5 winner without cheating. Not a great record at Ole Miss.
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And he really only had a winner for 2 years. His last year they went 5-7 and lost to Vandy. That would be fireable at UT
 
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#88
VolunteerHillbilly said:
When you have a down program, the smart move is to hire a guy who successfully rebuilt one or more other program as a head coach. Last time Vols did that was Majors and it worked out pretty well.
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Johnny Majors don’t grow on trees. Our idiot fans tried hard to run him out too. It took him time to get us going
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I never once lied about my reasons for not wanting Schiano…..his record. As far as the Penn State allegations, no charges were ever even filled and I never took them seriously. The. Man. Was. A. Lousy Coach
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I was good with that choice when it became more and more apparent there was going to be a coaching change. The allegations did change my mind. Primarily because of the consciousness that the same pious sports talking heads that ran our program up the flagpole for rejecting Schiano, would have been camping out 24/7 for HIRING him. After the Title IX bs we didn’t need that and I’m glad we put the kibosh on it.
 
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bigl3327 said:
When will people understand that nobody wanted this job‽ The chances of failure were far greater than succeeding, but the current staff is not a failure as of yet. Majors would have been fired within 5 years in today's coaching climate with our current fan base.
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There were coaches who wanted the job, we just chose not to hire them. But I am not too down on our coach now, give him a chance, 2 games is not enough to see what he can do.
 
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bigl3327 said:
How do you move on from a coach for cheating (that's the reason used for firing Pruitt) to hire another coach that was recently fired for cheating? National (and local) media would have a field day with that one. So would the NCAA.
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Go ahead and cite precedents where the NCAA punished a school for hiring a coach with past infractions. There isn’t one. Stop lying.
 
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