White on White Violence

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NurseGoodVol said:
Hard concept for a knuckle dragger to admit 46% participating in NIRBS isn't 100% thus not the most comprehensive database to be making an argument from.
Whole states not reporting makes the national numbers skewed. Especially the states that I posted with the most high crime areas unreported.
You are injecting a bunch of bs into a simple discussion you turned into an argument you lost a long time ago.
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I never said 46% was equal to 100%. The only argument you might feel you won was the straw man you created. The healthcare profession rely on databases that are not 100%. They use the "most comprehensive" that is available to them. Do you dismiss them as well?
 
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luthervol said:
I would think most everyone would agree that Atlanta has done quite well from 1877 until today.
Many would say it's the most "successful" city in the southeast.....that is if you measure success by power and wealth, which seems to be how Americans choose to measure success.
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It isn't the point, but rather that these cities - thus the country - undergoing large-scale violence and protest, are held out as evidence racism is systemic. When they've been run by Democrats for generations. It means we must also accept the logical proposition that Democrat governance is racist. And that when Democrat mayors and governors allow, say, $550M damage to businesses and property (Minneapolis) on top of an unprecedented economic shutdown by same governance, said governance has the nerve to demand a disaster declaration and not be responsible for their own ineffectiveness. Many of these cities and states have been fiscally mismanaged for decades; NYC, LA and Chicago, for example, are the most ill-managed of large metro areas. That extends to Democrat-dominated states; while a lot of $$ runs through the system, they are in the worst fiscal condition, while the "poor red" states are the best positioned for both near and long-term solvency. https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/norcross-fiscal-rankings-2018-mercatus-research-v1.pdf

That these cities/states had fiscal mismanagement issues prior to their mismanagement of weeks of violence, and that we should not fund their mismanagement. And that people claiming 'systemic racism' should not spend the next century voting for a chicken in every pot, but for the means to buy your own pot and chicken. If not, don't blame the federal government for the infrequency of your meals.

I think that's approximating the point.
 
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NCFisher said:
It isn't the point, but rather that these cities - thus the country - undergoing large-scale violence and protest, are held out as evidence racism is systemic. When they've been run by Democrats for generations. It means we must also accept the logical proposition that Democrat governance is racist. And that when Democrat mayors and governors allow, say, $550M damage to businesses and property (Minneapolis) on top of an unprecedented economic shutdown by same governance, said governance has the nerve to demand a disaster declaration and not be responsible for their own ineffectiveness. Many of these cities and states have been fiscally mismanaged for decades; NYC, LA and Chicago, for example, are the most ill-managed of large metro areas. That extends to Democrat-dominated states; while a lot of $$ runs through the system, they are in the worst fiscal condition, while the "poor red" states are the best positioned for both near and long-term solvency. https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/norcross-fiscal-rankings-2018-mercatus-research-v1.pdf

That these cities/states had fiscal mismanagement issues prior to their mismanagement of weeks of violence, and that we should not fund their mismanagement. And that people claiming 'systemic racism' should not spend the next century voting for a chicken in every pot, but for the means to buy your own pot and chicken. If not, don't blame the federal government for the infrequency of your meals.

I think that's approximating the point.
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The cities and states you reference are precisely where the federal government gets its money.
 
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luthervol said:
Because the educated youth are fleeing, the towns are economically dying, the schools are poor, and drug addiction is epidemic.

I hope you understand the two views we expressed are equally true or equally false.
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You only made one statement here. If people in rural areas think change is needed then they can and will vote accordingly. People in rural areas aren't the ones protesting for change right now, nor are they asking for taxpayer money
 
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Sea Ray said:
You only made one statement here. If people in rural areas think change is needed then they can and will vote accordingly. People in rural areas aren't the ones protesting for change right now, nor are they asking for taxpayer money
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They are the ones on welfare getting all the taxpayer money. You are very uninformed on the subject it seems.

Poor rural folks are the largest group on welfare. They are on government healthcare the most. They have the worst education and health as well.
 
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k-town_king said:
They are the ones on welfare getting all the taxpayer money. You are very uninformed on the subject it seems.

Poor rural folks are the largest group on welfare. They are on government healthcare the most. They have the worst education and health as well.
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Adult-headed welfare cases subject to time limits are concentrated in urban counties with large cities.
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The urban counties studied, home to 50 of the nation’s largest cities, contain 52 percent of their states’ adult-headed cases, compared to just 33 percent of their states’ total population.
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Long-Term Welfare Recipients Found Overwhelmingly Concentrated in Urban Areas
 
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The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent

Per the 2012 US Census.
 
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Mick said:
Wednesday, September 25, 2002

Do you have anything recent?

Rural Americans Are Now The Largest Slice Of Federal Food Aid Recipients

But the SNAP map has shifted. U.S. Department of Agriculture data shows that since 2012, SNAP participation is highest among households in rural areas and small towns under 2,500 people.
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It all comes down to how you want to play with the numbers. Very few Americans live in rural counties. In fact only 14% do compared with 31% in urban areas:

Demographic and economic trends in urban, suburban and rural communities

So I'd say that in terms of numbers, there are far more people on SNAP in urban counties than rural.

Then of course there's violent crime:

In 2018/19, the rate of violence against the person was 20.2 per 1,000 population in predominantly rural areas compared with 29.5 per 1,000 population in predominantly urban areas.
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https://assets.publishing.service.g...ment_data/file/828086/Crime_-_August_2019.pdf
 
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southgatevol said:
The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent

Per the 2012 US Census.
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Like the avatar...
 
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Guess what, blacks live in the rural areas also. The implication from the left seems to be, "look at the white rural areas".
 
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Sea Ray said:
It all comes down to how you want to play with the numbers. Very few Americans live in rural counties. In fact only 14% do compared with 31% in urban areas:

Demographic and economic trends in urban, suburban and rural communities

So I'd say that in terms of numbers, there are far more people on SNAP in urban counties than rural.

Then of course there's violent crime:



https://assets.publishing.service.g...ment_data/file/828086/Crime_-_August_2019.pdf
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This is a good piece.

Many Rural Americans Are Still “Left Behind” – INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH ON POVERTY – UW–Madison
 
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Mick said:
This is a good piece.

Many Rural Americans Are Still “Left Behind” – INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH ON POVERTY – UW–Madison
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Sounds like rural poverty has made great strides in 50 yrs. Why haven't urban areas done the same?

In September 1967, a commission on rural poverty convened by President Lyndon Johnson released its findings in The People Left Behind report. They documented a rural poverty rate of 25%, almost double the urban poverty rate.[1] Half a century after The People Left Behind’s release, IRP and the Rural Policy Research Institute held a conference to reexamine rural poverty. The research presented at the conference indicated that rural poverty declined sharply in the 1960s, but has remained fairly steady since the mid-1970s.[2] Currently, rural poverty is 3 percentage points higher than urban poverty.[3]
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Sea Ray said:
They, according to that article, have made great strides in reducing poverty as that excerpt illustrated
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I figured you would have problems making the right comparative analysis.

Even though rural poverty rapidly dropped in the 1960s, it has consistently exceeded urban poverty rates using the official poverty measure.
 
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Mick said:
I figured you would have problems making the right comparative analysis.

Even though rural poverty rapidly dropped in the 1960s, it has consistently exceeded urban poverty rates using the official poverty measure.
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We've been through that. I showed how in raw numbers there are far more folks in poverty in urban areas. What's your point?
 
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Mick said:
I never said 46% was equal to 100%. The only argument you might feel you won was the straw man you created. The healthcare profession rely on databases that are not 100%. They use the "most comprehensive" that is available to them. Do you dismiss them as well?
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I think you need to get a handle on the whole use of strawman
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You have distorted the entire initial point, you are literally standing on a straw man's head. The initial point being made claiming statistical data that only included 46% info with major portions left out is not a good database to use. It's just not and you arguing against facts is useless.
 
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k-town_king said:
2 suspects in Cynthia Hoffman murder case indicted on federal child porn charges

Darin Schilmiller and Denali Brehmer — two of the six people charged with the murder of 19-year-old Cynthia Hoffman — have been indicted on federal pornography charges, a release from the United States Department of Justice said Tuesday.

Schilmiller, 21, and Brehmer, 18, are charged with conspiracy to produce child pornography, production of child pornography, receipt and distribution of child pornography, and coercion and enticement of a minor.
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So you got links to about 5 murders so far which is equal to roughly 5 hours in Chicago.


What's your point?
 
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