You incorrectly assume conservatives have a monopoly on caring about Americans or American interests. It is difficult to have a discussion when progressives are immediately branded as America hating globalist Commies. You can put Americans first and not immediately resort to nationalism. It doesn't have to be an either or situation.
I'm not the spokesperson for liberals on the board, I don't know why there isn't a thread started for every single terrorist attack worldwide. I don't start many threads at all, and I linger more than post. I mentioned nothing about religion or ethnicity in my initial post in this thread. And there has definitely been a peep from me at least on other terrorist threads not related to white dudes, including crazy ass Muslims killing people.
I never said I was a nationalist, I just asked what the problem with white people doing it Vs others that you don't fuss about. I'd bet money I've got more Mexican friends than the majority of you in here, and several that are illegal, and I haven't protested none of them. You just can't answer my question without turning it into something else, or going back to white people.
I get your point, but man it's gotta be condemned both ways. I have a friend, she converted to Christianity from being Muslim. Her own brothers that live here, Chicago, told her if she ever came back to Chicago they would kill her. They have a black and white view of others as well, convert or else. I hate it all, I disagree with several religions, but I don't think people should die over it.
I'm not trying to speak for Rocky, but the white thing was going to come up in this case because the dude is a self-avowed white nationalist. And an eco-fascist, which I learned today was a thing apparently, thanks to volinbham.
This is why identity politics and collectivist thinking is bs
This is semantics. Call it whatever you want. The **** you’re saying, the **** you’re agreeing with, it puts you on the same ideological foundation as violent mass murderers. More than just this one.
Meanwhile, you’re operating from a world view that homogenizes entire groups of people with similar fundamental ideology, and assumes they’re all as bad as their worst members.
Turn that around and apply it to your own groups. Why should you not be the one who is marginalized/incarcerated/expelled for the good and protection of the rest of us?
The easy answer, that not one of you has come up with, is because you’re not like those people, even if you share similar fundamental views, you wouldn’t go that far. I hope that’s actually the case. I have no idea. But I assume it is because every person of a specific faith/belief is not the same as every other person who shares that belief. Your own distinction from these people ought to make you understand that. The distinction of the Muslims you know ought to make you understand that.
If we all adopt this same ignorant world view that everybody who shares a particular label is just as dangerous/evil as the worst person who we feel shares that label then we all need to be afraid of each other and nobody deserves to be free.
It’s really not that complicated.
Also, your “simple question” asks me to explain myself for something that you assume I’m guilty of because you assume I’m the same as all the other people you’ve given a particular label. All of those assumptions are ignorant and fundamentally the same as what I’m criticizing you for. So no, I’m not going to validate that with an answer.
This particular situation is the outcome of a larger problem that has been documented in research. White nationalism and hate groups in general are on the increase. There will be much more of these types of attacks over the next few years.
He's got a point.
