White supremacist mows down mosque in NZ

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
That nut job terrorist psychopath is getting exactly what he wanted. He put out that political garbage in order to divide people. And the media is buying it hook, line, and sinker.
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I personally feel Spyro the dragon is the real issue here
 
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Don't worry; the Angermonger Media will be right behind, capitalizing on the general malaise of its addicts and their hatred of the other news outlets.

They're all the same. It's all about money. The only difference is which demographic their ad revenue comes from.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And all was implying was that in a country of predominantly one religion it is much less likely to have hate motivated crimes.
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If, as claimed, true Islam demands that its followers kill non-believers, wouldn't a country like Indonesia be the perfect kind of place to see that being played out? The country is overwhelmingly Muslim, but there's still a few million Christians to stamp out.

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You don’t find it odd that an Australian mentioned the second amendment?
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I would find it odd that someone on the other side of the world who was all into white supremacy would go into a mosque and shoot a bunch of people because he wanted to effect U.S. politics.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Before I present anything let’s make sure we are on the same page. We agree there’s a greater percentage of homophobia and religious violence within Islam than within Christianity and you want me to demonstrate how much is present within Islam.

Is that correct?
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Lol. No I want you to give me a fixed percentage at which point the whole group becomes corrupt so I can point out all the stupid, terrible assumptions that can be made about you based on that same broken rationale. 😂

I’m not questioning those assumptions based on the anecdotal evidence I have. Also, by definition, I agree that Islamic terrorism is based on a Muslim ideology.

As @SamRebel35 said, there is no Christ figure in Islamic theology, so any human interpretation of their text is valid.

I assume that answers your earlier question. But I still think I order to give the question the relevance I assume you ascribe to it, you have to be willing to paint with a broad brush. I’m not, short of astronomical numbers. It’s a price of freedom thing.

In all seriousness, I’m legitimately interested in the numbers after seeing what Louder posted. But I doubt they’re going to change my mind.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Lol. No I want you to give me a fixed percentage at which point the whole group becomes corrupt so I can point out all the stupid, terrible assumptions that can be made about you based on that same broken rationale. 😂

I’m not questioning those assumptions based on the anecdotal evidence I have. Also, by definition, I agree that Islamic terrorism is based on a Muslim ideology.

As @SamRebel35 said, there is no Christ figure in Islamic theology, so any human interpretation of their text is valid.

I assume that answers your earlier question. But I still think I order to give the question the relevance I assume you ascribe to it, you have to be willing to paint with a broad brush. I’m not, short of astronomical numbers. It’s a price of freedom thing.

In all seriousness, I’m legitimately interested in the numbers after seeing what Louder posted. But I doubt they’re going to change my mind.
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Based on your first paragraph there it doesn’t seem like you’re interested in a genuine conversation at all.

But let’s assume I am wrong and we can start here. 27% of British Muslims had sympathy towards the motivations behind the Charlie Hedbo (12 dead I believe) attack.

Another 78% believed Hedbo should’ve been prosecuted for his cartoon.



UK Polling Report

 
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Velo Vol said:
If, as claimed, true Islam demands that its followers kill non-believers, wouldn't a country like Indonesia be the perfect kind of place to see that being played out? The country is overwhelmingly Muslim, but there's still a few million Christians to stamp out.


I would find it odd that someone on the other side of the world who was all into white supremacy would go into a mosque and shoot a bunch of people because he wanted to effect U.S. politics.
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I don't pretend to think that all Muslims interpret the Quran to mean all non-Muslims should be killed, never implied that. The US is much more diverse than Indonesia. With diversity I think you get more conflict.

I view Muslims in these categories:

Muslims that hate everyone non Muslim and are willing participate in that philosophy.

Muslims that hate everyone non-Muslim and while they think that all non-Muslims should die, they would not result to violence to kill them.

Muslims that are indifferent to non-Muslims but don't care if when a radical group carries out a terrorist attack. They may even snicker a little bit when one occurs.

Muslims that don't think it's right to kill non-believers and truly hate it when it happens and wish it would stop. But, they don't speak out publicly against it.

Muslims that truly believe that their supposedly peaceful religion has been hijacked by radicals and speak openly against it.

You can argue about the percentages of each category but it's true that Muslims fall into those categories. All religions can be categorized in a similar fashion. I believe that the numbers of Muslim radicals willing to kill greatly outnumber other radical elements of other mainstream religions.
 
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The issue of the Muslim's relationship with the infidel is one of the most important in Islam. The amount of attention devoted to the infidel is huge: 64 percent of the total Qur'an addresses that relationship while 81 percent of the Sira (chronological biographies of Muhammad) and 37 percent of the Hadith (sayings attributed to Muhammad) focus on this as well. In sum, nearly two thirds of Shari'a (Islamic law) is devoted to the infidel.

What comes through clearly by examining this subject is that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, as is often claimed, but about the brotherhood of believers, members of the umma. The flip-side of this is a total denunciation of the "other." There are more than four hundred verses in the Qur'an alone that describe the torment in hell that Allah has prepared for the infidel. The Qur'an dehumanizes infidels: They are vile animals and beasts, the worst of creatures and demons; perverted transgressors and partners of Satan to be fought until religion is Allah's alone. They are to be beheaded; terrorized, annihilated, crucified, punished, and expelled, and plotted against by deceit. Believers must be in a constant state of war with the infidel.

The Qur'anic pedigree for this view is unambiguous. In the spirit of al-Wala wal-Bara, Muslims are to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel. The infidels must not be taken as friends. "Hostility and hate" exist between them forever until the infidel "believe in Allah alone." They are a hated and cursed people; vile and evil-doers; disgraced and misguided. Even one's relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.

The Qur'an says that all other religions are cursed by Allah. All those who join idols or false gods to Allah, or invent lies about Him, or deny Allah, or change even one word of Allah's book,or do not believe in Allah's messenger Muhammad are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a slaughter."

Judaism and Christianity are rejected and not acceptable to God since he has sent his final messenger to the entire world, who has revealed their errors.

Islam's Hatred of the Non-Muslim
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't pretend to think that all Muslims interpret the Quran to mean all non-Muslims should be killed, never implied that. The US is much more diverse than Indonesia. With diversity I think you get more conflict.

I view Muslims in these categories:

Muslims that hate everyone non Muslim and are willing participate in that philosophy.

Muslims that hate everyone non-Muslim and while they think that all non-Muslims should die, they would not result to violence to kill them.

Muslims that are indifferent to non-Muslims but don't care if when a radical group carries out a terrorist attack. They may even snicker a little bit when one occurs.

Muslims that don't think it's right to kill non-believers and truly hate it when it happens and wish it would stop. But, they don't speak out publicly against it.

Muslims that truly believe that their supposedly peaceful religion has been hijacked by radicals and speak openly against it.

You can argue about the percentages of each category but it's true that Muslims fall into those categories. All religions can be categorized in a similar fashion. I believe that the numbers of Muslim radicals willing to kill greatly outnumber other radical elements of other mainstream religions.
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You forgot Muslims who want to war against other Muslim sects.

Anyway, my bringing up Indonesia wasn't a response to any of your posts. You can go back and see whose I was countering.
 
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